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To: BlackElk
Does the Novus Ordo Mass convey to the participants in the pews the same graces as are conveyed by the Tridentine Mass.

No. Even that most rare of birds, the valid New Mass, is unable to convey the same graces as the traditional Latin Mass, because it does not convey the same reality. It is a "celebration of the Eucharist" rather than the "Holy Sacrifice of the Mass."

535 posted on 07/17/2004 8:41:34 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian; BlackElk; ninenot; gbcdoj; Dominick; ArrogantBustard
Does the Novus Ordo Mass convey to the participants in the pews the same graces as are conveyed by the Tridentine Mass.

Maximilian:  No. I am not going to dance here:  your answer is bull$hit Max.  

CHAPLET OF SAINT PATRICK

Prayer on the Medal:
The Apostle's Creed

On Each of the Twelve Green Beads:

Glory be to the Father, and the Son, and to the
Holy Sporit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and
ever show be, world without end. Amen.

Intention:

Through the intercession of St. Patrick, may God
Almighty strenghen one's faith, and grant the
grace of faith for others.

BREASTPLATE OF ST. PATRICK

Christ as a light,
Illumine and guide me!
Christ as a shield, o'ershadow and cover me!
Christ be under me! Christ be over me!
Christ be beside me, On the left hand and
right!
Christ be before me, behind me, about me;
Christ this day be within and without me!
(from Hymm Before Tara)

537 posted on 07/17/2004 9:26:54 PM PDT by GirlShortstop (« O sublime humility! That the Lord... should humble Himself like this... »)
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To: Maximilian
It is a "celebration of the Eucharist" rather than the "Holy Sacrifice of the Mass."

What's wrong with celebration?

And forasmuch as, in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the mass, that same Christ is contained and immolated in an unbloody manner, who once offered Himself in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross ... the holy Synod charges pastors, and all who have the cure of souls, that they frequently, during the celebration of mass, expound either by themselves, or others, some portion of those things which are read at mass ... (Trent, Decree on the Sacrifice of the Mass)

Or with Eucharist?

Wherefore sacred writers, seeing that it was not at all possible that they should manifest by one term the dignity and excellence of this admirable Sacrament, endeavoured to express it by many words.

For sometimes they call it Eucharist, which word we may render either by good grace, or by thanksgiving. And rightly, indeed, is it to be called good grace, as well because it first signifies eternal life, concerning which it has been written: The grace of God is eternal life; and also because it contains Christ the Lord, who is true grace and the fountain of all favours. (Roman Catechism, "The Holy Eucharist")


547 posted on 07/18/2004 4:12:12 AM PDT by gbcdoj (No one doubts ... that the holy and most blessed Peter ... lives in his successors, and judges.)
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