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To: ultima ratio; gbcdoj
interpreting Vatican II, we're talking about the Vatican apparatus and the Pope.

Since you're being very specific about a high profile individual, [or individuals], you will have NO problem then supporting your assertions with linked documentation from them, will you?

Why do you suppose the Church has been plunged in chaos? Do you think this happened because the man standing next to you chose not to believe something that had always been believed?

Your assessment and identification of the problems in our day, as "chaos" is sad.  Since you asked:  Satan, the Fall, not enough prayer... "THY will be done"... and not enough sacrifice [offering up our pain and hurt!] to Our Redeeming Lord.  I'm going to jet for there's much to do today.  Pax et bonum!
497 posted on 07/17/2004 11:35:59 AM PDT by GirlShortstop (« O sublime humility! That the Lord... should humble Himself like this... »)
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To: GirlShortstop

No need for documentation. Just look at how Paul VI introduced the radical Novus Ordo in response to the Council's call for reform of the Liturgy. This was light years away from reforming anything. In fact, the Council's call for reform merely gave cover to those who wished to trash the traditional Mass and replace it with one concocted by a committee of humanists and Protestants.


498 posted on 07/17/2004 11:45:34 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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