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To: ultima ratio
There is not a line of Trent that is not clear.

Really. Why do traditionalists, including priests, try to claim that can. xiii of the Decree on the Sacraments of the Seventh Session of Trent outlaws changes to the liturgy, even by the Pope? Isn't Trent so clear that no one could misunderstand it?

And the Pope writes as if the Archbishop were bound to believe whatever he or the Council asserted, regardless of its novelty.

Again: he's talking about religious liberty and ecumenism (according to the documents - which do not justify Assisi!). Cardinal Oddi denounced Assisi and the Pope didn't go after him.

457 posted on 07/17/2004 7:10:46 AM PDT by gbcdoj (No one doubts ... that the holy and most blessed Peter ... lives in his successors, and judges.)
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To: gbcdoj

"Again: he's talking about religious liberty and ecumenism..."

Where did it say anywhere that the Archbishop was BOUND to believe the decree about religious liberty? When did that become a universally binding dogma of the Church? When did the new ecumenism become dogma?

Answer: never! The Pope is blaming the Archbishop for what he had every right to oppose on traditional grounds. It is for the Pope and the Council to show how these new doctrines conform to Tradition. It is not enough simply for them to say, "Because we say so!"


464 posted on 07/17/2004 8:26:45 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: gbcdoj

Here is the famous Declaration that got the Archbishop in so much trouble with the Vatican. There is not a line of it which isn't true. If anything, it is prophetic.

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Declaration

We hold firmly with all our heart and with all our mind to Catholic Rome, Guardian of the Catholic Faith and of the traditions necessary to the maintenance of this faith, to the eternal Rome, mistress of wisdom and truth.

We refuse on the other hand, and have always refused, to follow the Rome of Neo-Modernist and Neo-Protestant tendencies which became clearly manifest during the Second Vatican Council, and after the Council, in all the reforms which issued from it.

In effect, all these reforms have contributed and continue to contribute to the destruction of the Church, to the ruin of the priesthood, to the abolition of the Sacrifice of the Mass and the Sacraments, to the disappearance of the religious life, and to a naturalistic and Teilhardian education in the universities, in the seminaries, in catechetics: an education deriving from Liberalism and Protestantism which had been condemned many times by the solemn Magisterium of the Church.

No authority, not even the highest in the hierarchy, can compel us to abandon or to diminish our Catholic Faith, so clearly expressed and professed by the Church's Magisterium for nineteen centuries.

"Friends," said St. Paul, "though it were we ourselves, though it were an angel from heaven that should preach to you a gospel other than the gospel we have preached to you, a curse upon him" (Gal. 1:8).

Is it not this that the Holy Father is repeating to us today? And if there is a certain contradiction manifest in his words and deeds as well as in the acts of the dicasteries, then we cleave to what has always been taught and we turn a deaf ear to the novelties which destroy the Church.

It is impossible to profoundly modify the Lex Orandi without modifying the Lex Credendi. To the New Mass there corresponds the new catechism, the new priesthood, the new seminaries, the new universities, the "Charismatic" Church, Pentecostalism: all of them opposed to orthodoxy and the never-changing Magisterium.

This reformation, deriving as it does from Liberalism and Modernism, is entirely corrupted; it derives from heresy and results in heresy, even if all its acts are not formally heretical.

It is therefore impossible for any conscientious and faithful Catholic to espouse this reformation and to submit to it in any way whatsoever.

The only attitude of fidelity to the Church and to Catholic doctrine appropriate for our salvation is a categorical refusal to accept this reformation.

That is why, without any rebellion, bitterness, or resentment, we pursue our work of priestly formation under the guidance of the never-changing Magisterium, convinced as we are that we cannot possibly render a greater service to the Holy Catholic Church, to the Sovereign Pontiff, and to posterity.

That is why we hold firmly to everything that has been consistently taught and practiced by the Church (and codified in books published before the Modernist influence of the Council) concerning faith, morals, divine worship, catechetics, priestly formation, and the institution of the Church, until such time as the true light of tradition dissipates the gloom which obscures the sky of the eternal Rome.

Doing this, with the grace of God, the help of the Virgin Mary, St. Joseph, and St. Pius X, we are certain that we are being faithful to the Catholic and Roman Church, to all of Peter's successors, and of being the Fideles Dispensatores Mysteriorum Domini Nostri Jesu Christi In Spiritu Sancto.

†Marcel Lefebvre


468 posted on 07/17/2004 8:48:38 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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