[saradippity]

I think if we all prayed to the Father and asked Him to have the Holy Ghost give us the mind of the Church His Son established on earth,we might come to a better place.

I know no one puts much stock in anecdotal experiences but I can't help but say that as a mother there is little that makes me more sad than when my children bicker and wrangle with each other over whose "opinion" should prevail.

In this case Father Zigrang made a decision not to honor the bishop's request but to comply with only the parts that he chose. The bishop,who's person I have never respected,but who by the position he holds had the authority to give the order he gave,should have been obeyed.

Father Zigrang kind of lost my sympathy early on,when he went to the retreat house he wanted to go to in place of where he was asked to go. It really seemed like he was playing games to me,kind of boundary testing,like teen-agers do. When He came back and visited the bishop with his priest friends from SSPX,I believe,I could see he was deep into a teen-age,"nobody's going to tell me what to do" mode. I really thought it was a very inappropriate "in your face" defiant act. What a tragedy for SSPX and Father Zigrang and many others,who engage in dialogue that can go nowhere,given the givens.

[ultima ratio]

Your sympathy is selective. Fr. Z was tormented in conscience. His was a moral decision, totally permissible and canonical--obedience had nothing to do with it.

[Grey Ghost II]

It really seemed like he was playing games to me,kind of boundary testing,like teen-agers do.

I would expect any teenager who's parent was an apostate criminal who covered up for child abusers to do the same. Why should such a person be obeyed in the first place?

[Palladin]

sara,

Props to you for always trying to be the peacemaker on these threads!

[BlackElk]

Yours is the wisdom with which God has armored mothers. Thank you.