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To: Land of the Irish; sinkspur; ninenot; GirlShortstop
LOI: If you are going to mention me, convention requires that you ping me. I regularly point out that Marcel Lefebvre is dead because be apparently died unrepentant which means he has run out of time to recant and repent and do penance for his apostasy, his disobedience, his massacre of his freely taken vows of obedience, his commitment to JP II NOT to consecrate the four Econe excommunicatees and to humbly submit to the authority of the Supreme Pontiff. If that was all, I would not mention it repeatedly but many who partake in most of those crimes of Marcel Lefebvre and ratify the rest are still alive and can still repent and still seek forgiveness and still recant and reject these evils and the scandals they have produced.

Paul VI put me in the frame of mind that the schismatics regularly display. I thank God for one sensible Catholic who persuaded me not to leave Catholicism for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Lefebvrism was entirely too obvious and obviously a new and less worthy schism than Eastern Orthodoxy. I suffered through the papacy of Paul VI and John XXIII before him. They are long since dead and have received the judgment of God (Who alone may judge them as can no one on earth) whatever it may have been. I rejoice that God has sent us JP II.

Fr. Zigrang has apparently been driven over the edge by Bishop Fiorenza. Fr. Zigrang is probably not the first pries to have been driven over the edge by Fiorenza. Nonetheless, Fr. Zigrang is incardinated in Fiorenza's diocese and has no more business spitting upon the authority of his diocesan ordinary (even patheticos such as Fiorenza) than does another "traditionalist" icon: Fr. Gruner who never saw an order he would not violate as to where and how he is to practice his priesthood. We are a Church. We are THE Church. We are NOT an anarchy.

184 posted on 07/16/2004 8:56:58 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk; Land of the Irish

More nonsense about a holy man who single-handedly resisted a Pontiff determined to wreck the Church. The Archbishop did not break any vows of obedience by doing so, since such vows are not absolute but depend on the legitimacy of the papal command. In this case, the command not to consecrate was intended to finally and forever starve the ancient Mass of traditional priests. Lefebvre was obliged to disobey to save the Traditional Faith.


196 posted on 07/16/2004 9:24:46 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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