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To: ponyespresso
"(I ask again, "Am I Wrong?"). That didn't go over well, and I have been labled a troublemaker ever since."

I am a stickler for details. The problem that you have is that there are to many details. you cannot fit all of them into every sermon, time doesn't allow it. So the answer to you question, "Am I Wrong?" is yes. I think you lose this one an a technicality. For the average person, a lifetime of effective criticism, will fit in a thimble. For this reason, rather than bash you, I will tell you a bit of my story, and let you make the connections.

I became a christian at a very young age. It was many years later, that I heard about the idea of baptism of the Holy Spirit, and as for repentence, I really did not understand it like I do now. By observation, we know that you cannot understand birth until after you are born. Scripture affirms that the second birth is the same.

My parents were the ones that got mad and changed churches. They did it three times. Oddly, one of the things that they complained about was that every Sunday was the same thing, you know, repent, get saved, followed by an alter call. Took up the last half hour of every service, at least it seemed that long to me. The first time we changed churches I was 13. I never felt accepted, and by the time I got out of high school, I had stopped going to church and spent the next several years screwing up my life.

One day God yanked the chain, and said its time to come back. It was a tough time, but God is gracious. Any way by now my parents were at a new church, so I decided to go there, they have since moved on. Even then I was quite knowledgeable on the bible, so on several ocassions, I decided to set the pastor right. You can predict his reaction.

You have planted a seed, perhaps even overwatered it, now give God a chance to make it grow. Had to tweak that verse a little bit.

I am still very good friends with that pastor. We have a new one now, an a-millennalist, it just never ends. I am still a troublemaker, so against the advice on this thread, I think you consider staying.

Thanks for your last post, I felt that I was having a conversation with my former self, I could not have said it better.

Be well
Seven

43 posted on 05/24/2004 1:36:49 AM PDT by Seven_0 (It is the character of theWord of God to leave something to be the reward for diligence-FW Grant)
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To: Seven_0
I am a stickler for details. The problem that you have is that there are to many details. you cannot fit all of them into every sermon, time doesn't allow it. So the answer to you question, "Am I Wrong?" is yes. I think you lose this one an a technicality.

You don't think that the concepts of sin and repentance are foundational principles for a Gospel talk? I appreciate that every doctrine can never be fully expounded upon in any sermon, however, sin and repentance don't seem like insignificant details that can be passed over lightly.

Many thanks for your story. And thanks for the advise. I think that we won't be going anywhere in the immediate future, but either way I've given it up to God at this point. I feel strongly that I need to write a letter (more of a position paper actually) outlining with more detail my concerns about the teaching, as well as my issue with how the incident was handled.

I will be nice, I promise, lol. But, we will see what happens after that.

pony

44 posted on 05/24/2004 7:36:04 AM PDT by ponyespresso (simul justus et peccator)
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