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To: TaxRelief; All
Most likely each of us will experience normal separation of soul and body just as those before us have.

I am much more concerned about facing my Maker and Judge than hoping for a speculative "rapture". Eastern Orthodoxy has never taught such and considers the idea heretical and dangerous to one's salvation. The "I'll be whisked away/the others are left behind" notion wherein one escapes physical death and Judgement usually is accompanied by other beliefs including once saved always saved, eternal security, and faith alone. None of these are found in historic Latin and Eastern teaching dating from Apostolic times.

146 posted on 05/20/2004 9:21:03 PM PDT by IGNATIUS
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To: IGNATIUS

For the most part, I agree with you. But as to the Eastern Orthodox position on heresy, I would question all the specific references to being snatched up, gathered up, to take over, to carry up, to lift up, to seize, and to change as I listed before on the first page of this thread that are in the Bible.

When I have a plethora of references that refer to a God-driven event associated with the Day of the Lord, I have to conclude there is something more to it than an idle curiosity. I don't think the Rapture as it is commonly known will appear like it is portrayed in the "Left Behind" series. As a matter of fact, I don't think those left behind will recognize it for what it is (I think from a description of them in Rev 6:15-17 that they don't understand much at all, they get most things wrong or they wouldn't be left behind in the first place); it may be so far outside our preconceived notions as to defy belief.

Now whether it is dangerous to one's salvation, that is an entertaining idea. For I do think that there are those that may not be prepared for demonic persecution and oppression that I do read as being in store for Christians during the end times. For that reason, I am writing a commentary because I do not want to see people throw their salvation away and pursue wickedness. After reading Ezekiel 18, I have to wonder if those professing to be Christians but really are hypocrites are indeed in the Father's hand. Likewise, you can profess to be born again, but if you accept the mark of the beast, you will have no place in the book of life. As a warning to myself, I have to endure patiently as well and continue to try to walk in the way of the Lord, to become more like Christ Jesus.

But even though the wise may stumble and fall, (Daniel 11:35) God is still able to redeem them, so even if I don't attain perfection, although it is a goal set by Jesus, I can be justified by Christ so as to wash my robe clean in the blood of the Lamb and be able to stand before God with a great multitude of people.

Likewise, I have struggled with the faith alone position as have Christian scholars before me. That is why James' book was questioned because it seemed to differ from what Paul and John had written. But now I see that works are an outward manifestation of faith. And if there is faith, and that is the criteria since God judges the heart, then there will be some outward sign of that in our works. However, the reverse is not always true. Just because you are "good" does not mean you have put your faith in Jesus to save you.


147 posted on 05/21/2004 5:44:11 AM PDT by Teleosis
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