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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
When we say "Total Depravity", WE MEAN IT.

This is exactly why Calvinism as so proposed is AntiChristian.

Calvinism fails to respect the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, the Son and the Father in the believer. It fails to discern an old sin nature in the flesh which remains in believers from salvation and remains in the regenerated believer's body until the resurrected body is received.

It attempts to create a fraudulant system of governance over believers by insisting they are nothing, when in fact they are part of the royal family of God, fully capable of divine good works through remaining in fellowship with God.

Instead of placing priority in following God's will, Calvinism accuses, slanders, and demeans believers into thinking they really are depraved, when on the contrary, by remaining faithful through Christ, there is nothing that can separate the believer from God, especially Calvinist insistence upon total depravity.

Calvinism also fails to recognize that all the human good it purports as a religious institution is also twisted into a Satanic cosmic system of evil counterfeit to God's plan.

This is precisely why Christ never exhibited behavior promoted by Calvinists. He conquered sin in His humanity and resisted any appeal to His divinity on the cross. He did this out of faith strictly in His humanity.

28 posted on 05/02/2004 4:43:01 AM PDT by Cvengr (;^))
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To: Cvengr
"He conquered sin in His humanity and resisted any appeal to His divinity on the cross. He did this out of faith strictly in His humanity."

You fail to recognize the purpose of the virgin birth. It is precisely because of man's depravity that our Lord Jesus had to be born outside of the race of Adam. Christ conquered sin in His humanity but it was the pure, unblemished humanity that Adam had prior to his fall, not the fallen state Adam had after his sin.

29 posted on 05/02/2004 6:50:50 AM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: Cvengr
This is exactly why Calvinism as so proposed is AntiChristian. Calvinism fails to respect the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, the Son and the Father in the believer. It fails to discern an old sin nature in the flesh which remains in believers from salvation and remains in the regenerated believer's body until the resurrected body is received.

It does?

It attempts to create a fraudulant system of governance over believers by insisting they are nothing, when in fact they are part of the royal family of God, fully capable of divine good works through remaining in fellowship with God.

The "good works believers can do are those foreordained for him. They flow not from his nature, but the nature of the Holy Spirit indwelling him

Instead of placing priority in following God's will, Calvinism accuses, slanders, and demeans believers into thinking they really are depraved, when on the contrary, by remaining faithful through Christ, there is nothing that can separate the believer from God, especially Calvinist insistence upon total depravity

You have no clue what Calvinism teaches C, so why do you pretend to? Once converted to repentance and belief a saved man is no longer TOTALLY depraved. He has a new nature , He is a new creation in Christ . We move by Gods grace toward sanctification .

Calvinism also fails to recognize that all the human good it purports as a religious institution is also twisted into a Satanic cosmic system of evil counterfeit to God's plan.

C I do not think you would know Gods plan if you fell over it. Your soteriology proves that .

This is precisely why Christ never exhibited behavior promoted by Calvinists. He conquered sin in His humanity and resisted any appeal to His divinity on the cross. He did this out of faith strictly in His humanity.

And what behavior might that be ? Do you mean like saving all those the Father gave to Him?

34 posted on 05/02/2004 11:10:47 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Cvengr
This is precisely why Christ never exhibited behavior promoted by Calvinists.

Thank you.

40 posted on 05/02/2004 5:21:12 PM PDT by monkfan (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Cvengr
Calvinism fails to respect the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, the Son and the Father in the believer.

This is a strange claim.

It attempts to create a fraudulant system of governance over believers by insisting they are nothing, when in fact they are part of the royal family of God, fully capable of divine good works through remaining in fellowship with God.

Would you dare stand before God and say, "I'm Your adopted child and a priest and a king because I deserve it," or would you confess, "It was all Your grace"?

Calvinism also fails to recognize that all the human good it purports as a religious institution is also twisted into a Satanic cosmic system of evil counterfeit to God's plan.

Don't hold back on us, tell us what you really feel.

42 posted on 05/02/2004 9:30:14 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: Cvengr
I am not studied, but your post rings true with me, in the way that the idea we are all 'totally depraved and deserving of hell' does NOT.
51 posted on 05/03/2004 11:43:48 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I am HairOfTheDog and I approved this message.)
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