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To: St.Chuck
A bishop acting unilaterally attests to his certitude.

A bishop acting unilaterally gets the kind of reaction Donoghue got. He can either learn from it, and consult his priests next time, or continue to have his authority undermined.

Donoghue should take the model of collegiality John Paul II uses. He can still impose his male-only directive, but at least the priests will have been consulted on the matter.

9 posted on 04/09/2004 3:58:54 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
He can still impose his male-only directive, but at least the priests will have been consulted on the matter.

Consulting his priests wasn't really necessary. It was a no-brainer for him, really. The priests who have reacted in a negative way, are out of line, but that's what the bishop was really addressing any way.

10 posted on 04/09/2004 4:15:42 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: sinkspur
Deacon,

A bishop acting unilaterally gets the kind of reaction Donoghue got. He can either learn from it, and consult his priests next time, or continue to have his authority undermined.

Donoghue should take the model of collegiality John Paul II uses. He can still impose his male-only directive, but at least the priests will have been consulted on the matter.

A question for you. Can the proper relationship between the priests of a diocese and the bishop really be compared to the relationship between the bishops and the Roman Pontiff? Lumen Gentium calls priests "assistants" and "helpers" to the bishop and says that "they are dependent on the bishops in the exercise of their power". This is certainly a different relationship than that between the Supreme Pontiff and the other bishops, who are vicars of Christ in their own right and not mere vicars of the Pontiff. St. Ignatius of Antioch says in the epistle to the Magnesians:

the bishop presiding after the likeness of God and the presbyters after the likeness of the council of the Apostles

Certainly there was no "model of collegiality" between God and the apostles!

Recognizing this, perhaps a more monarchical authority might be expected from the diocesan bishop over the presbyterate and diaconate as opposed to the relationship between the Pope and college of bishops? Really, in a case like this where the bishop is simply supporting the law of the Church, as opposed to enacting particular law or some other personal initiative, why should consulting the priests be necessary? There is, after all, nothing to discuss, as the Archbishop is simply reminding his priests of the existing directives, not changing anything.

15 posted on 04/09/2004 4:37:55 PM PDT by gbcdoj
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To: sinkspur
He can still impose his male-only directive

Huh?

"Male-only" directive?!?

From my reading of it, the Pope merely pointed out in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis the already-existing reality that the Church has no authority to ordain women.

Now, are you suggesting that it is merely by the Pope's "directive" that women's ordination is forbidden, rather than by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church?

21 posted on 04/09/2004 5:12:51 PM PDT by B Knotts (Salve!)
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