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To: dstoker
This "springtime in the church" is modernistic propaganda BS. Just because they say it and wish it doesn't make it so.

Besides sounding good and catchy it means absolutely nothing. Like Clinton's "bridge to the 21st century". Coming up with shiny keywords accomplishes zero.

I'd love to know what actions are being taken to bring about this "springtime". What is being done doctrinally, dogmatically and at the command level to clean up some of the nonsense we read about every single day? NOTHING.

The document coming out (supposedly) this week to address liturgical abuses is mere lip service with no teeth whatsoever. Bloviation, nothing more. The heretics are left to their heresy and the homosexuals are left to their destructive ways. The scandalous bishops are left to decimate the flock and spit in God's face.

Meanwhile "orthodox" types make a sport out of bashing trads, who seem to be the only ones worthy of excommunication anymore. The bad guys are the ones who worship as Catholics have been doing for hundreds of years, while the good guys are the ones that worship with heathens.

Jesus warned us of this. "Springtime" my foot.

The reason this person you describe doesn't know anything is because he wasn't taught anything. An acquaintance of mine went through 4 years of Catholic High School and was shocked to find out just a few weeks ago that Catholics fast on Fridays. Nobody told ever him because they don't teach Catholicism anymore. The catechism and the Catholic schools are an abject disaster and getting worse as we speak.

Do these "springtime" wordsmiths think that things will just fix themselves when we continue to devlolve and welcome the devil into the front door? If so they're fools.

THERE IS NO SPRINGTIME

And there won't be one until we start taking our church back from the leftists, heretics and homos who seek to destroy it.

37 posted on 04/06/2004 4:14:05 PM PDT by AAABEST (<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org">Traditional Catholicism is Back and Growing</a>)
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To: AAABEST
Many of the Conservatives in the Novus Ordo, taking their lead from outfits, such as EWTN, argue that the bishops are our "fathers in God" and that we owe them obedience NO MATTER WHAT. Didn't the ancient Egyptians have the same deal with their high priests? Never mind, of course, that many of the bishops don't even believe in Jesus Christ anymore and openly teach so through their seminaries. In the Novus Ordo, cowardice is the virtue of choice.

The truth is that many of the Novus Ordo bishops in the US are criminals, heretics, seditionists--they can run us down in the street like dogs and then get community service as penalty. Even the good ones are not so good because they tolerate the evils in their mitred brothers and are willing to hold communion with them no matter what.

It was not so in the early days of the Church.

Do you remember that old movie, "Catholics: A Fable"? I loved that scene in the movie wherein the abbot compares the manner of the young investigator sent from Rome to the ways of the "old days". That really disturbed the Liberal--because it was true. Liberals can play the part of inquisitor when they want to do so. Interesting how the abbot was an atheist; that movie was produced many years ago,yet the protagonist is a prelate, who has entirely lost his faith--which is the problem with many of our bishops today. They don't believe in the Risen Christ--but they DEMAND to be obeyed in the same way that Ambrose, and Athanasius, Leo I, and Gregory I were in their time.

But the sheep still know the voice of the true pastors.
46 posted on 04/07/2004 7:10:44 AM PDT by dstoker ("Catholic: A Fable"--a Fable??)
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To: AAABEST
The reason this person you describe doesn't know anything is because he wasn't taught anything. An acquaintance of mine went through 4 years of Catholic High School and was shocked to find out just a few weeks ago that Catholics fast on Fridays. Nobody told ever him because they don't teach Catholicism anymore. The catechism and the Catholic schools are an abject disaster and getting worse as we speak.

okay, you blame the Catholic schools on this one? I suspect your acquaintance most likely wasn't paying attention. He never noticed his PARENTS doing days of fast and abstinence? He supposedly went to mass and happened to miss EVERY Sunday before Ash Wednesday...where it was a "given" that the priest had an announcement reminder re: the rules/ages/conditions of fast and abstinence? WHERE THE HELL WAS HE?

I think it's safe to BANK ON the fact that many people, no matter HOW MANY TIMES YOU TELL THEM are "clueless." How many times have you run into some half-assed older catholics who insist that they were told "never to read the bible for themselves" or that "sister said it was a mortal sin if we drank water right before mass." Or countless idiots who are "shocked, shocked" to learn that Teddy Kennedy supports abortion. [My own former pastor used to tear his hair out over these people wondering wherever they got these notions from.]

I suspect your acquaintance may even not realize that men have walked on the moon.

74 posted on 04/19/2004 10:34:12 AM PDT by gemoftheocean
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