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"It is unfortunate that you turn the discussion to judgments of the piousness of others. I don't know the "they" that you are referring to who are "superficially pious" and "heap abuse" but this sort of conversation will bear no fruit, and so it is here that I will leave you to it."

Gee, I wonder if it might be people who express, or support expressions, such as some of nika's comments above. The one you thanked for the quotes that didn't prove anything? That one. Who knows; maybe in this thread nika gets by with a little help from some friends in providing the paradigm. nika:

"This because you aren't really a traditional Catholic. You are a heretic."

I thought it belonged to the Church to make such judgments, not the laity. God forbid we should act beyond our scope such that we become holier than the Pope... ha. But when challenged, nika takes a hike obviously because this statement is completely unsupportable. Shortstop mysteriously exited the conversation as well. All charges are drawn from the thin air; when questioned, they've gotta go or something. This is like old hat; what's ultima's heresy? [silence.] There is none; ultima knows what he's talking about. Clearly, nika does not. If you think your statement is supportable, nika, let's drag it out; I'm all over it.

"In the final analysis, it is between you and God. It was never between you and them anyway."

This is way too easy: return to sender.

I particularly like this one:

(nika to me): "Believe me, I can tell it's not where you get your doctrine from. Official Church councils aren't where you get your doctrine from either. Neither is traditional Catholicism. You guys do your own thing. You refuse to submit to the authority of the Church, making your own private and incorrect opinions your ultimate authority. You make yourselves Pope. Are you really denying the authority of Church Councils when they are in union with the Successor of St. Peter? Obviously, you are either intellectually dishonest and cowardly, or are all bluff and don't really know anything about Catholicism -- or both. So keep blathering on and whatever the case may be will soon be evident to all."

lol, because you know better. Take the conciliar stance, and defend it if you can. The outcome is preordained.

NeoCatholics are guilty of everything they claim traditional Catholics are guilty of. There's a name for that. It's called hypocracy.