[nika]

It's a great encyclopedia, but it's not where we get our doctrine from; sorry.
--pascendi

Believe me, I can tell it's not where you get your doctrine from. Official Church councils aren't where you get your doctrine from either. Neither is traditional Catholicism. You guys do your own thing. You refuse to submit to the authority of the Church, making your own private and incorrect opinions your ultimate authority. You make yourselves Pope.

Are you really denying the authority of Church Councils when they are in union with the Successor of St. Peter? Obviously, you are either intellectually dishonest and cowardly, or are all bluff and don't really know anything about Catholicism -- or both.

So keep blathering on and whatever the case may be will soon be evident to all.

[pascendi]

"Believe me, I can tell it's not where you get your doctrine from. Official Church councils aren't where you get your doctrine from either. Neither is traditional Catholicism. You guys do your own thing. You refuse to submit to the authority of the Church, making your own private and incorrect opinions your ultimate authority. You make yourselves Pope."

Uh huh.

Look, quit with the rhetoric and support your very serious accusations. Please.

[pascendi]

"So keep blathering on and whatever the case may be will soon be evident to all."

I would be more than happy to oblige.

What I'll be pressing for is what exactly, and I do mean exactly, makes you a different kind of Catholic from ultima.

If you do not believe ultima to even be a Catholic, I'm going to press you into an oblivion for the exact reason why ultima isn't a Catholic. Let's do it.

[gbcdoj]

nika,
ultima does have a point. Fr. Most does say in his article that the Declaration on Religious Liberty is only at the teaching level of the Ordinary Magisterium and isn't infallible. LG 25 states that only the definitions of a Council are infallible. I think a case can be made that LG 21 contains a definition, and perhaps DV 9 as well, but there weren't very many. In theory, it would seem that any non-definitive part of the council documents could be erroneous.