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What are your reasons for saying this?
--Pyro7480

Because they have more faith in the teachings of Klaus Gamber than in the official teaching of a Church Council convened by the Successor of St. Peter. They believe the Holy Spirit actually abandoned such an official council to the modernists. They don't believe in Christ's promise of the Holy Spirit being with the Church forever. Instead they insist that Church Councils submit to themselves and Klaus Gamber. It never occurs to them that maybe they and Gamber might be wrong. It never so much as crosses their minds. This is so even though they know that they as individuals have no guarantee of the Holy Spirit's protection. Yet they go on, in their incredible arrogance, undermining the simple, beautiful faith of many Catholics.

You mix apples and oranges here. I cited Gamber in support of the argument that it is to be doubted whether any pope had even the authority to make major changes in the Roman Rite, let alone replace the ancient rite--which even Mediator Dei tells us the Holy Spirit had guided through the ages--with one that has been newly fabricated. I did not bring up Gamber in the context of the debate over the infallibility of councils. One had nothing to do with the other. You are all over the place with this when you make such a ridiculous statement as the following:

"They believe the Holy Spirit actually abandoned such an official council to the modernists. They don't believe in Christ's promise of the Holy Spirit being with the Church forever. Instead they insist that Church Councils submit to themselves and Klaus Gamber. It never occurs to them that maybe they and Gamber might be wrong."

Gamber said not a word about Church Councils in his celebrated text, so it is absurd to bring him up in this context. It is also a fact that the modernists took over Vatican II--almost all its periti, for instance, were liberals, some of them modernists whose writings had been previously censured by Pius XII. Countless books have belabored this point. Yet here you suppose this never happened! You accuse us of denying Christ's promise to send the Holy Spirit to be with his Church forever--as if that meant specifically with Vatican II and not the Church in general. You further make the absurd remark that Gamber wants Councils to submit to him! Gamber was a scholar well within the mainstream of Catholic thought. His book focuses on the Novus Ordo and the destruction of the ancient rite, not on Vatican II or any other council. Obviously you haven't read it. You certainly should--to avoid making such absurd claims in the future.