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The Little Number of Those Who Are Saved
Our Lady of the Rosary Library ^ | St. Leonard of Port Maurice

Posted on 03/17/2004 11:49:07 AM PST by johnb2004

Now let us consult the Latin Fathers. You will hear Saint Gregory saying clearly, "Many attain to faith, but few to the heavenly kingdom." Saint Anselm declares, "There are few who are saved." Saint Augustine states even more clearly, "Therefore, few are saved in comparison to those who are damned." The most terrifying, however, is Saint Jerome. At the end of his life, in the presence of his disciples, he spoke these dreadful words: "Out of one hundred thousand people whose lives have always been bad, you will find barely one who is worthy of indulgence." The Words of Holy Scripture But why seek out the opinions of the Fathers and theologians, when Holy Scripture settles the question so clearly? Look in to the Old and New Testaments, and you will find a multitude of figures, symbols and words that clearly point out this truth: very few are saved. In the time of Noah, the entire human race was submerged by the Deluge, and only eight people were saved in the Ark. Saint Peter says, "This ark was the figure of the Church," while Saint Augustine adds, "And these eight people who were saved signify that very few Christians are saved, because there are very few who sincerely renounce the world, and those who renounce it only in words do not belong to the mystery represented by that ark." The Bible also tells us that only two Hebrews out of two million entered the Promised Land after going out of Egypt, and that only four escaped the fire of Sodom and the other burning cities that perished with it. All of this means that the number of the damned who will be cast into fire like straw is far greater than that of the saved, whom the heavenly Father will one day gather into His barns like precious wheat. I would not finish if I had to point out all the figures by which Holy Scripture confirms this truth; let us content ourselves with listening to the living oracle of Incarnate Wisdom. What did Our Lord answer the curious man in the Gospel who asked Him, "Lord, is it only a few to be saved?" Did He keep silence? Did He answer haltingly? Did He conceal His thought for fear of frightening the crowd? No. Questioned by only one, He addresses all of those present. He says to them: "You ask Me if there are only few who are saved?" Here is My answer: "Strive to enter by the narrow gate; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able." Who is speaking here? It is the Son of God, Eternal Truth, who on another occasion says even more clearly, "Many are called, but few are chosen." He does not say that all are called and that out of all men, few are chosen, but that many are called; which means, as Saint Gregory explains, that out of all men, many are called to the True Faith, but out of them few are saved. Brothers, these are the words of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Are they clear? They are true. Tell me now if it is possible for you to have faith in your heart and not tremble.

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To: sandyeggo
There must be souls in hell, sinkspur.

No need for a hell to even exitst, if no one ever went there. And we know that hell does exist so, therefor there must be atleast one soul in hell if not many.

22 posted on 03/17/2004 3:12:44 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Hey John F'in. Kerry, why the long face?)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
And how you guys say you don't work your way to heaven is beyond me.

2 Peter 1:9-10 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.

23 posted on 03/17/2004 3:13:42 PM PST by american colleen
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To: sinkspur
St. Leonard isn't so obscure in the North End of Boston.

Is there something in particular you disagree with in the essay? Something that goes against the teachings of the Church?

24 posted on 03/17/2004 3:15:33 PM PST by american colleen
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To: sinkspur
He's trying to keep people out of Hell. Abortion is the matter of Mortal Sin. Likewise contraception. That the Church teaches this is widely known. Lots of people (including lots of Catholics) commit abortion and contraception.

A person engaged in habitual contraception is (objectively) engaged in an unrepented habit of Mortal Sin.

Unrepented Mortal Sin is what puts people in Hell.

Warning someone that he is on a highway to Hell is an act of great Charity.

25 posted on 03/17/2004 3:15:43 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Chief Engineer, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemens' Club)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
It's 80 degrees here :-)

Enjoy it. It's sleeting in NoVa.

26 posted on 03/17/2004 3:16:55 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Chief Engineer, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemens' Club)
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To: sandyeggo
I'm familiar with St. Leonard's sermon, it's bookmarked on my computer and I've read it several times.

Ah, so then you have no excuse for denying the plain teaching that most Catholics go to hell.

A saint's sermon carries a whole lot more weight with me than someone on the internet presuming to judge the state of another's soul. So I admit nothing

But there was never a question of judging the state of any individual's soul. It was always a question of the eventual destiny of the vast majority of Catholics -- precisely the question addressed by St. Leonard. Since you knew his sermon, then you knew the answer. So what's the point of pretending otherwise?

27 posted on 03/17/2004 3:17:13 PM PST by Maximilian
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Below the belt!!! Not fair!!

The snow is pretty but you just get SICK OF IT by March.

28 posted on 03/17/2004 3:19:36 PM PST by american colleen
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To: american colleen; ArrogantBustard
LOL.. I know it but I couldn't stop :-)

It's going back into the 60's next week, brrrrrrr!

LOL
29 posted on 03/17/2004 3:21:54 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: drstevej
Well bless my soul and body, I think we have a Calvinist Francisan Friar thread.

Hail Mary and Calvin!

30 posted on 03/17/2004 3:23:13 PM PST by xJones ( And I swear by Billy Graham to lay off the KFC jokes..)
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To: american colleen
Is there anything you disagree with in this essay?

Yes:

All of this means that the number of the damned who will be cast into fire like straw is far greater than that of the saved, whom the heavenly Father will one day gather into His barns like precious wheat.

He has no way of knowing this. No way at all.

I don't get trying to scare people into heaven.

31 posted on 03/17/2004 3:25:03 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sandyeggo
There must be souls in hell, sinkspur.

How do you know?

32 posted on 03/17/2004 3:26:22 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: american colleen
So today you're saying you do work your way to heaven.

BigMack

33 posted on 03/17/2004 3:29:57 PM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Proud member of the Lunatic Fringe, we love Spam, Uzi's and Jesus)
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To: xJones
Be careful using the words Calvinist and Friar in the same post. This could become a Servetus thread!
34 posted on 03/17/2004 3:30:02 PM PST by drstevej (Repentant prayer of saints is the precursor to genuine revival.)
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To: sinkspur
Jesus said so. Matt 7:13-14

That's even in the regular Sunday Gospel reading sequence. I'm sure it's familiar to you.

35 posted on 03/17/2004 3:30:09 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Chief Engineer, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemens' Club)
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To: Maximilian
then you have no excuse for denying the plain teaching that most Catholics go to hell.

It is not a teaching.

You still haven't shown us the infallible teaching of the Church that the vast majority of souls go to hell.

You can't even show me the infallible teaching that there is ONE soul in hell.

36 posted on 03/17/2004 3:31:37 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: drstevej
Repentant prayer of saints

Repentance ... How appropriate to this thread.

37 posted on 03/17/2004 3:32:23 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Chief Engineer, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemens' Club)
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To: drstevej
This could become a Servetus thread!

Not fair. I was going to post something but I had sworn by Billy Graham to lay off the KFC comments.

BTW, did you bring popcorn?

38 posted on 03/17/2004 3:33:36 PM PST by xJones
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To: sinkspur
All of this means that the number of the damned who will be cast into fire like straw is far greater than that of the saved, whom the heavenly Father will one day gather into His barns like precious wheat.

He has no way of knowing this. No way at all.

sink, this is straight from Matthew 13:24-30.

39 posted on 03/17/2004 3:33:42 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: sinkspur
Here's another one:

Matthew 12:36-37. I assure you, on judgment day people will be held accountable for every unguarded word they speak. By your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.
40 posted on 03/17/2004 3:36:27 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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