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To: the808bass
We would say that the Holy Spirit draws us and those who respond are then quickened. But you already knew that, you just can't fathom it. And further, that the sin of the first Adam is overcome by the grace of the second, and that this prevenient grace draws all unto God.

So then the scripture is wrong the Father does not draw, it is the Holy Spirit?

Can I have some scripture not just your opinion? :>)

Only one of us is posting the word of God.

Scripture that the Holy Spirit draws not the Father and scripture that what we call General grace (you call Prevenient grace draws every one to salvation and then it is theirs to loose.)

4,507 posted on 04/15/2004 4:07:15 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
So then the scripture is wrong the Father does not draw, it is the Holy Spirit?

To try to limit a function or characteristic of God to a certain member of the Trinity is absolutely inane. The same characteristics are listed as applying to both Jesus, the Father and the Spirit in multiple places.

Only one of us is posting the word of God.

If you cannot recognize Biblical themes and content then I cannot make you do so. If you are so unfamiliar with the Bible that you do not know of the first and second Adam parallelism, then we are at cross purposes. If you'd like me to spew out some Scripture following each theological point I make, I'm sure I could. After all, if a person can't find a Scripture to support their idea (no matter half-cocked or offbeat the idea is), they really aren't trying hard enough.

4,509 posted on 04/15/2004 4:15:45 PM PDT by the808bass
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