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To: HarleyD
God doesn't cause the rejection of Himself. Mankind is already destined for Hell. God elects His chosen and it is God who RESCUES His chosen from Hell. A vast difference in perspective.

Well, of course Calvinists believe that God causes the rejection of Himself.

In fact, per your belief, it is part of His pre-determined plan.

3,861 posted on 04/13/2004 5:51:09 AM PDT by Quester (I just have this thing about accuracy.)
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To: Quester
Well, of course Calvinists believe that God causes the rejection of Himself.

In fact, per your belief, it is part of His pre-determined plan.


Could you show where this belief is found?
3,862 posted on 04/13/2004 5:57:53 AM PDT by snerkel ("He's not coming back to preach!")
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To: Quester
Perhaps I don't understand your point.

There is nothing to reject. We belong in Hell. There is nothing within us that says we belong in Heaven.

God saves the elect.
3,864 posted on 04/13/2004 5:58:30 AM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: Quester
Ro 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Ro 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Ro 9:20 Nay but, O {Ar}m{ini}an, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
3,866 posted on 04/13/2004 6:03:32 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: Quester
it is part of His pre-determined plan.

Yep it sure is.

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Rom 9:16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.

Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God?Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?

Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

3,994 posted on 04/13/2004 12:28:17 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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