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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And since He's God, if he chooses to permit a man to jump off the railroad platform, and allows the train to continue down the tracks until it hits the man and and splatters his vital bodily fluids all over the mud, even though that man jumped in front of the train on his own, God still did nothing to prevent it.

He could have; but He didn't. So in the great scheme of things, that man met his sad fate among the weeds and cinders. What will be (through the grace and mercy of God alone), will be.

What an absolutely wonderful Arminian post. I couldn't agree more. Of course, I see the opposite as well. If God, in his infinite grace and mercy, chooses to throw each and every one of us a lifesaver as we sink into the morass of our own sin, and we, through no goodness of our own, but through a simple obedience to the drawing of the Holy Spirit, choose to receive the gift of the lifesaver, who are we to say that it's outside His nature?

3,842 posted on 04/12/2004 8:54:51 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: the808bass
...and we, through no goodness of our own, but through a simple obedience to the drawing of the Holy Spirit...

If I had tried to write a better example of the Arminian contradiction, I couldn't top this one.

"Through no goodness of our own," by definition, cannot include the positive attribute of "simple obedience."

"Obedience" is "goodness," regardless of how much you hope to feign humility.

But you're right about one thing. Salvation is through no goodness of our own, no matter what the definition of "is" is.

3,850 posted on 04/13/2004 12:21:18 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: the808bass
What an absolutely wonderful Arminian post. I couldn't agree more. Of course, I see the opposite as well. If God, in his infinite grace and mercy, chooses to throw each and every one of us a lifesaver as we sink into the morass of our own sin, and we, through no goodness of our own, but through a simple obedience to the drawing of the Holy Spirit, choose to receive the gift of the lifesaver, who are we to say that it's outside His nature?

He must do CPR on your before you can grab that life preserver.

Eph 2:1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;

3,988 posted on 04/13/2004 12:03:39 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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