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To: Alex Murphy; Invincibly Ignorant; IMRight
Does "I am the Alpha and Omega" ring any bells for you?

The bell it rings for me says it is not a direct quote from Jesus. Are you claiming "proof" for something which hasn't happened? Revelation is just that, not a Scriptural quote of Jesus.
3,695 posted on 04/12/2004 12:35:57 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE; Alex Murphy
The bell it rings for me says it is not a direct quote from Jesus. Are you claiming "proof" for something which hasn't happened? Revelation is just that, not a Scriptural quote of Jesus.

I'm sorry... it may be convenient for you, but are you under the impression that only the words in red are Scripture?

3,697 posted on 04/12/2004 12:41:57 PM PDT by IMRight
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To: OLD REGGIE
Are you claiming "proof" for something which hasn't happened? Revelation is just that, not a Scriptural quote of Jesus.

Are you saying that Revelation doesn't contain visions given to John, but only prophecies of future visions that haven't been given to John yet? Is The Book of Revelations akin to a post-dated check?

Here's the key questions for you, Reg. When John sees and hears the speaker in Rev. 1:8, is that occuring in the present (John's, that is) or the future? When John sees and hears the speaker in Rev. 1:17, is that occuring in the present (John's, that is) or the future? Is John told to give the message in 1:18 to the church now, or to sit on it until sometime in the future?

Who is the speaker in 1:8? In 1:17? In 1:18? In 2:8? How many "beginnings and ends" are there, anyway? What do each claim about themselves?

3,698 posted on 04/12/2004 12:47:48 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: OLD REGGIE
The bell it rings for me says it is not a direct quote from Jesus. Are you claiming "proof" for something which hasn't happened? Revelation is just that, not a Scriptural quote of Jesus.

Do you mean you reject what the Book of Revelation says because it is prophesy and it hasn't happened yet?

In context, this is especially maddening. If Jesus says He is the beginning and the end, then it doesn't really matter when He says it? If He's all that, A to Z, then He is. It doesn't matter if He reveals this in a dream, 2000 years ago or next Thursday.

SD

3,699 posted on 04/12/2004 12:49:35 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: OLD REGGIE
The bell it rings for me says it is not a direct quote from Jesus. Are you claiming "proof" for something which hasn't happened? Revelation is just that, not a Scriptural quote of Jesus.

This confuses me Reg. Are you doubting John because Jesus told him this in 1:8. (It's even in red lol)

3,823 posted on 04/12/2004 6:56:27 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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