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To: RnMomof7; ksen
In what way? He once destroyed the world with water, He once destroyed cities with fire. God is justice, and justice demands judgment

In all those examples He supplied a way of salvation for all men (i.e. Leave the city and dont turn back, get into the ark).

I am saying God has shown His Grace by giving us His Son. He has supplied a way of Salvation. God's Grace is not in giving some the eyes to see, but in providing all of us a Way to see if we only call upon His name. In the Gospels you see blind men asking Jesus for healing, for sight. Jesus does not give them sight without these men first crying out to Him.

JM
3,097 posted on 04/10/2004 7:20:19 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: JohnnyM
In what way? He once destroyed the world with water, He once destroyed cities with fire. God is justice, and justice demands judgment In all those examples He supplied a way of salvation for all men (i.e. Leave the city and dont turn back, get into the ark).

No Johnny he provided salvation for one man and his family..not all men

In Sodom He called out one family to be saved (because of Abraham)

You are right , that was justice. Why do you think that God would be just then and not now? He could have withheld His judgment from man if He desired all to be saved.

We keep coming back to the question. Why does God owe to man an opportunity to be saved? What has mankind ever done to deserve an opportunity? Does a Holy God have a right to judge all men and put them in hell?

We live in a time where men have been taught that they have some intrinsic worth to God so in "fairness "God must offer all an opportunity to be saved. We stand and sing how he saved a wretch like us ...and then think we are deserving because of ???? .We are wretches but not "quite" wretched"

The truth is every day of your life and every day of my life we prove we have no right to stand in the presence of a Holy God, we all deserve Hells fire . If God were Just that is where we all belong. He has justice tempered by His mercy. That is he will have mercy on some and not others. His word tells us that He chooses on whom He will have mercy. The convicted does not deserve a set of keys to get out..

I am saying God has shown His Grace by giving us His Son. He has supplied a way of Salvation. God's Grace is not in giving some the eyes to see, but in providing all of us a Way to see if we only call upon His name. In the Gospels you see blind men asking Jesus for healing, for sight. Jesus does not give them sight without these men first crying out to Him.

The question is never one that God not reveal himself to all men..the question is who will hear and who will see. Who will choose to come, that is the focus. Paul teaches very clearly in Romans 1-3 , that no man deserves to be saved . Men do not seek or understand God.

What we do read in the gospels is that no one can come unless the Father draws him.We read that God has closed some ears to the gospel so that they will not be saved. Jesus says to whom His gospel is sent "let he that has ears hear" . It is God that that draws us and opens our ears .

3,127 posted on 04/10/2004 12:54:31 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: JohnnyM
"In all those examples He supplied a way of salvation for all men (i.e. Leave the city and dont turn back, get into the ark). "

I would disagree. God gave Noah specific dimensions and instructions on building the ark. Presumably enough to hold all the animals, Noah's family and probably some food. If it was up to men to choose how would God know how big to build the ark? God gave a way for Noah and his family to be saved only.

3,151 posted on 04/10/2004 3:37:21 PM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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