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To: malakhi
Free choices for what?

We can choose to run from God like Jonah and if that is what you are referring to as "free choice" then sure, I would agree. But God is sovereign and will bring us into correction so that His will is accomplished the way He planned it to be so. Just like He did with Jonah.

If by "free choice" you mean we have the ability to accept or reject Christ then I would disagree. Clearly John the Baptist and Jeremiah didn't have this "free choice". They were elected and appointed to carry God's plan.

I don't think salvation varies from person to person. Is this what you believe? If not could you please explain to me how John the Baptist was saved before he was born?
2,956 posted on 04/09/2004 3:42:39 PM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: HarleyD
If by "free choice" you mean we have the ability to accept or reject Christ then I would disagree.

That's not an example I would use. By "free choice" I mean, capable of making moral choices, and capable of obeying or disobeying God.

Just like He did with Jonah.

Even in scripture, this doesn't always happen, though. God didn't force Saul back into obedience.

I don't think salvation varies from person to person. Is this what you believe?

Being a Jew, my concept of soteriology is completely different. In Judaism, "salvation" refers to being saved from the trials and tribulations of this world (e.g. the freeing of the Israelites from bondage in Egypt). We don't really use "salvation" in terms of the afterlife. Basically, the righteous go to Heaven, and those lacking righteousness go to Gehinnom. One can be righteous either by not sinning, or by repenting and being forgiven. To use Christian vocabulary, both righteousness and eternal life with Him are acts of pure grace, because God is not under any obligation to forgive us our sins. But we have His promise that He will.

2,969 posted on 04/09/2004 4:11:40 PM PDT by malakhi (L'shana haba'ah b'Yerushalayim!)
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