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In other words, even our will is fallen and must be fixed in order for us to be able to accept the freely offered gift of salvation.

(As an aside to the GRPL: has any of you found that, if you drop the 5 points, and just discuss monergistic regeneration, you get a lot further? I found that, as soon as I dropped the title "Calvinism" and ignored the 5 points, but focused on how "it's all God from start to finish," I was able to elicit agreement from an hardened anti-Calvinist that what I believed was Biblical after all.)

Thats called closet tulip, and underhanded, I was a member of a church that the closet tulip folks tried to take over using this method and they tore the church apart.

BigMack

(As an aside to the GRPL: has any of you found that, if you drop the 5 points, and just discuss monergistic regeneration, you get a lot further? I found that, as soon as I dropped the title "Calvinism" and ignored the 5 points, but focused on how "it's all God from start to finish," I was able to elicit agreement from an hardened anti-Calvinist that what I believed was Biblical after all.)

I is who I is Jude, I do not fly under a false flag

I never expect anyone to accept what I say as true, that is the work of the Holy Spirit to illumine scripture not mine .

Those, that as students of the scripture, will go and read like Bereans , to search out the truth will see it and understand it . Those that are afraid to let go and let God be truly sovereign , will not bother..

In the last year or so the number of Calvinists have grown here because they have gone to the "book" to verify what Calvinism teaches . They finally stop reading past the "hard parts" and justifing in their minds that it can not possibly mean what it says and reading on .