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To: Quester
"I'd say that everything that made Judas Judas (up to that point in his life) ... mandated that he make the choice that he did."

The scriptures says that Satan entered into Judas (Luke 22:3). In other words, he was possessed. Are you saying that Judas allowed himself to be possessed?

2,866 posted on 04/09/2004 11:35:40 AM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: HarleyD
Are you saying that Judas allowed himself to be possessed?

Does such happen any other way?

2,868 posted on 04/09/2004 11:41:17 AM PDT by malakhi (L'shana haba'ah b'Yerushalayim!)
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To: HarleyD
The scriptures says that Satan entered into Judas (Luke 22:3). In other words, he was possessed. Are you saying that Judas allowed himself to be possessed?

Actually the predestination of the betrayal is very clear in scripture. Satan did not just "posses" him. Satan was placed IN him

Jhn 13:2   And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's [son], to betray him;

The plan from before the foundation of the earth

2,869 posted on 04/09/2004 11:44:20 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: HarleyD
"I'd say that everything that made Judas Judas (up to that point in his life) ... mandated that he make the choice that he did."

The scriptures says that Satan entered into Judas (Luke 22:3). In other words, he was possessed. Are you saying that Judas allowed himself to be possessed?


Hmmm ... I've never considered that Judas was possessed ... let's see where this takes us ...

The first thing that I would say is ... whatever the state of Judas' soul ... he was responsible for it.

Why would I say this ?

Simply because he had been keeping company with the One Who could have ... at a moment's request from Judas, rendered his soul incapable of possession by Satan, ... or freed from such possession.

He had winessed this done by Jesus and the other apostles on numerous ocassions.

But it is obvious that he had not asked for such a deliverance.

It appears that he had been spiritually distanced from Jesus for sometime.

But let's' move on ahead ...

Do you believe that Judas was not responsible for the state of his soul at that point ?

Do you believe that Judas was totally overpowed by Satan, ... such that he (Judas) had no control over his subsequent actions ?

2,875 posted on 04/09/2004 12:02:42 PM PDT by Quester (The mills of God may grind slowly, ... but they grind exceedingly fine.)
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