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To: ksen
Quite a few believe in Eternal Security.

I've found that a lot of people say they believe in Eternal Security because, of course, it makes sense and is Scriptural.

But when questioned, they back off, and fall back into tired cliches, insisting they still could loose their salvation if they goofed up big-time. That's because they usually believe man has the power to surprise God, and that God's Eternal Decree is more a "wish list."

Like so many things, they need to follow their beliefs to their illogical conclusions.

Try asking them if they could still trip up and go to hell. I think the answers might surprise you.

More's the pity. For Arminians, there's no real security in God; only the tenuous hope in their good behavior, wise choices and God's suggestions.

2,823 posted on 04/09/2004 8:32:22 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I believe in full blown eternal security and that no one can fall out of the hands of God. We are a new creation born into sonship. We can no ways be unborn or lose this sonship than your son could ever cease being anything other than your son, or lose his sonship.

JM
2,824 posted on 04/09/2004 8:40:00 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
For Arminians, there's no real security in God; only the tenuous hope in their good behavior, wise choices and God's suggestions.

Thankfully, you do not get to define my spirituality and theology anymore than I do yours.

My hope is not tenuous as it rests upon the rock of Christ, the Cornerstone upon which all the Church was established.

My hope does not rest upon good behavior for as a good Arminian I believe I was born with a corrupted nature and I began life without righteousness. Further, I take the Scripture very seriously when it says that I am saved by grace through faith, that it is a gift of God, not of works so I should not boast.

Additionally, my hope is not founded on my "wise" choices which will save me for my choicest wisdom is as the foolishness of God.

And finally, God does not make suggestions. He has a perfect will for each of our lives. But He, in his Infinite wisdom, has chosen to allow us to choose blessing or curse, life or death.

Perhaps you could actually read through what I read, rather than trying to shove Arminians into the cubbyhole which you have fashioned for them.

2,998 posted on 04/09/2004 7:00:59 PM PDT by the808bass
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