To: SoothingDave; JohnnyM; CindyDawg
Of course God can act contrary to His nature. But He will not.He can? God could lie? God could be unjust? God could sin? But He just chooses not to? Is that official RCC dogma?
The Bible says that it is impossible for God to tell a lie, not that He just chooses not to, but that He can't.
That doesn't really address the situation with us humans, however, which is where the difficulty lies.
But it does. Because if God must act according to His nature but we do not. Then we exceed God in our capabilities. In effect making us greater than God in this area.
2,139 posted on
04/06/2004 12:13:22 PM PDT by
ksen
(This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth I bid you stand, Men of the West!)
To: ksen
"But it does. Because if God must act according to His nature but we do not. Then we exceed God in our capabilities. "
Which goes back to my original question. How can God damn a cat for not being a dog and be called Just? If my nature is to sin. If I am wired from the womb to sin and sin willfully, then how can a just God damn me for that?
JM
To: ksen
He can? God could lie? God could be unjust? God could sin? But He just chooses not to? Is that official RCC dogma? The Bible says that it is impossible for God to tell a lie, not that He just chooses not to, but that He can't. So God is not All-Powerful? Of course He can do any number of things. He has the power and the capacity to do anything imaginable, and even things we can't even imagine.
Likewise, I have the capacity to spray bullets into a crowded playground. But I'm not going to do it.
It is impossible because of God's goodness, not because He lacks the ability to do so.
Because if God must act according to His nature but we do not. Then we exceed God in our capabilities. In effect making us greater than God in this area.
Who told you we could act against our nature? Who told you what our nature was? Maybe that's where the problem is.
Answer me this: do you still engage in sin?
Does that mean you have a sinful nature?
SD
To: ksen
That's interesting, I just heard a Calvinist preacher on the radio this weekend (at least he claimed to be under the Westminster Confession) talking about "Is the God of the NT the same as the God of the OT? Of course He is... He just opperates under different rules now."
Who makes the rules? How is that different from His "nature"?
Will God destroy the world in flood again? No? Because He said He would not. But He did before. Something changed. He changed it.
Perhaps there is "nature" and "nature". God IS "truth" threfore he can't lie because anything He says would immediately happen. If He said "Kevin is a girl" He would not be lying because His Word would go forth and accomplish that which He said. THAT is "nature".
To: ksen; OLD REGGIE; IMRight
1 Corinthians 3
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and
every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
reward from the Greek
3408 misthos mis-thos'
1) dues paid for work
a) wages, hire
2) reward: used of the fruit naturally resulting from toils and endeavours
a) in both senses, rewards and punishments
b) of the rewards which God bestows, or will bestow, upon good deeds and endeavours
c) of punishments
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count Total: 29 AV -
reward 24, hire 3,
wages 2; 29
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall
reward every man according to his
works.
reward from the Greek
591 apodidomi ap-od-eed'-o-mee
1) to deliver, to give away for one's own profit what is one's own, to sell
2) to pay off, discharge what is due
a) a debt, wages, tribute, taxes, produce due
b) things promised under oath
c) conjugal duty
d) to render account
3) to give back, restore
4) to requite, recompense in a good or a bad sense
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count Total: 48 AV - pay 9, give 9, render 9, reward 7, sell 3, yield 2, misc 9; 48
Colossians 2:18 Let no man
beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
reward from the Greek
2603 katabrabeuo kat-ab-rab-yoo'-o
1) to decide as umpire against someone
2) to defraud or beguile of the prize of victory
3) metaph. to deprive of salvation
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count Total: 1 AV -
beguile of (one's) reward 1; 1
Colossians 2:18 CLEARLY warns people about losing their REWARD/SALVATION.
OOOOPS so much for OSAS!
2,159 posted on
04/06/2004 1:33:08 PM PDT by
ET(end tyranny)
(Isaiah 47:4 - Our Redeemer, YHWH of hosts is His name, The Holy One of Israel.)
To: ksen
Great post.
2,162 posted on
04/06/2004 1:36:33 PM PDT by
Dr. Eckleburg
(There are very few shades of gray.)
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