[saradippity]

To what do you object?

I object to beating the drums to demand that we do not allow "celibate homosexuals" into the priesthood as long as the seminaries are using tests we have not seen and interviews of persons we do not know and who are often secular psychologists to determine the "fitness" of candidares.

God is a God of Order and we,His children on earth need to remember that. To say we do not want celibate homosexuals is fine but it begs the question of how using the tools that are used right now we are going to avoid it. It cannot be avoided right now,it is a waste of time to discuss it and it sets up future unhappiness by even pretending there is a means available to ensure this. You are asking for trouble on all counts.

Far more important is how to get rid of the active homosexuals and sympathetic heterosexuals in the priesthood right now. I'll bet a majority of them had no "intent" at ordination to bring the sacraments to God's children. Have you talked to the canonist yet?

[ninenot]

I posted the answer to Part One the other night: Ecclesia Supplet IS a jurisdictional matter, not related directly to the question of 'what grace is obtained in reception of invalid Communion...'

We're still working on that. A friend has snatched the two-volume work on Systematic Theo written by Fr. Keefe (SJ) at Marquette.

Keefe's a solid guy, proven by the fact that he was ignominously RETIRED from the MU Theo faculty by the then-Pres., a Fr. D'Ulio.

Keefe then became the Diocesan theologian for Bishop Stafford of Denver (a bona fides proof if there ever was one.)

Now all we have to do is find the answer to the question, midst the two volumes of text.

[ninenot]

Finally, much as I admire and love your posts and thoughts, I still don't understand your problem with forbidding the ordination of homosexuals (if known.)

Obviously, that will not be foolproof--there have always been, and will always be, ordained homosexuals.

But we certainly don't have to make it a point to find them, as has been the case in several Dioceses in this country for years...