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Disturbing excerpts from interview with Cardinal Mahony (leftist in charge of LA Diocese)
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| 02-20-04
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Posted on 03/01/2004 5:20:53 PM PST by AAABEST
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This Pharisitic nutjob wants us to "pray" for Mel Gibson alluding to the fact that he's evil (as taking the bait of the serpent) yet other religions who don't even believe in Christ have salvation?
Siiiiiiiick!
Then this fool advocates heathen hindu and zen prayer and in the same breath dares condemn those of us who worship Christ. From elsewhere on his site.
"Hawaiian Liturgy"
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"Liturgical Dance"
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"Jazz Liturgy"
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posted on
03/01/2004 5:20:54 PM PST
by
AAABEST
To: AAABEST; B Knotts
Hawaiian Litury:
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posted on
03/01/2004 5:22:43 PM PST
by
AAABEST
(<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org">Traditional Catholicism is Back and Growing</a>)
To: AAABEST
If Roger was my archbishop, I'm not sure I would fully paricipate in an archdiocesan parish either.
What a fruitcake.
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posted on
03/01/2004 5:31:33 PM PST
by
Desdemona
(Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
To: AAABEST
"Either one is in full communion with the Catholic Church, in unity with the Successor of Peter, or not. One cannot pick and choose .... which teaching to follow"
Hypocrite heal thyself!
To: ultima ratio; Land of the Irish; Canticle_of_Deborah; Fifthmark; Aestus Veritatis; dsc; ...
ping
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posted on
03/01/2004 5:44:42 PM PST
by
AAABEST
(<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org">Traditional Catholicism is Back and Growing</a>)
To: AAABEST
I realize others do not like this Cardinal. I do not live in LA and can't give you a useful report about the Archdiocese or how he is handling it. I suspect that I would diasgree with certain of his decisions.
That said, I find nothing heretical/leftist/etc. about his comments in this interview to the extent that they are reported (though I'd like to ask follow-ups on certain of his latter responses). His comments early on about authority in the Church are clearly spot-on and any Catholic should recognize that fact.
Like it or not, for better or for worse, he is the Ordinary of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. He is a successor to the Apostles - in full communion with Peter. He does have the authentic spiritual authority for his See. I don't know the full story of Mel Gibson's status with the Church, but I do know that none of us has any right or authority to "excommunicate" the Cardinal.
He, and he alone, is the Pastor of the See of Los Angeles. If he is imcompetent or breaking Church Laws, take it up through the Canon process of the Church (ultimately the Pope). Until then, I don't think our Lord is pleased by this attack on the Archbishop. The Lord is his Judge.
I will try and pray for both Mel Gibson and the Cardinal, and all others as well. Prayer is always good.
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posted on
03/01/2004 5:50:56 PM PST
by
TotusTuus
(Sorry if these comments offend, but they are the Truth!)
To: AAABEST
By their fruits you shall know them.
Obviously, if Mr. Gibson is rejecting Christ's Church, that will not go well for him come judgement day. But then again, if a Cardinal and Archibishop is doing the same that will go even less well for him on judgement day.
Funny though that Mr. Gibson's work is bringing together Catholics and Protestants in unprecedented numbers, while the archbishop's version of ecumenism is having trouble holding even the Catholic faithful's attention. Certainly not sufficient evidence for any sweeping conclusion, but it sort of makes you go, "Hmmmm."
To: AAABEST
Satan told them, "you will be like gods, choosing good and evil." It is the purveyors and adherents of the Second Vatican Council who are doing the CHOOSING. Traditionalists know full well good and evil -- have for the last 2000 years, always will -- Nothing good became evil nor evil became good in the last 40 years.
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posted on
03/01/2004 5:58:33 PM PST
by
steve86
To: TotusTuus
He is a successor to the Apostles - in full communion with Peter. Serious question. If he has privately rejected that communion, is he still in communion because his dissent isn't public? For example, if he knowingly and conciously defies the pope in a matter of faith, but makes it seem like a matter of not understanding him.
That's a concern I have about a lot of bishops, and Mahoney represents a sort typical of the worst offenders. They seem to be privately rejecting large elements of the Catholic faith - including obedience to the pope, but without publically stating so.
To: AAABEST
It's absolutely amazing that he has the nerve to criticize Mel Gibson, given the various things he allows in his archdiocese.
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posted on
03/01/2004 5:58:57 PM PST
by
B Knotts
To: TotusTuus
I do know that none of us has any right or authority to "excommunicate" the Cardinal. I have to wonder just how bad the cardinal would have to be before you'd say "Throw the bum out!".
no, I won't capitalize the title of someone who doesn't deserve it
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posted on
03/01/2004 6:04:08 PM PST
by
steve86
To: AAABEST
This is priceless.
Mel Gibson is not in communion with the Church by practicing pre-VII Catholicism, yet Mahony's "spiritual space" and the 40 different OTHER religions it honors ARE?
Runecaster95: Is it acceptable for Catholics to participate in acts of devotion such as Zen meditation and Hindu chanting, providing the emphasis remains on Christ?
Cardinal: Any form of prayer and meditation that helps us deepen our life in Jesus Christ is a positive. We might call the same type of prayer "centering prayer," or "Christian mantra."
Joseph: Now that it's been completed, what are your thoughts about the cathedral? Are you satisfied, and, if not, what things might you have hoped had gone differently?
Cardinal: We have all been amazed at how many people keep coming to the Cathedral week after week, and how deeply God's grace is touching their lives. The stories of personal conversion are incredible. People have surely found God's love and mercy in that wondrous spiritual space.
User barronista asks; "Is that actually a winged serpent on the door of the new Los Angeles Cathedral? If so what significance does that have for Catholics? And if it isn't a winged serpent, what is it?
Cardinal: Actually, there are many signs and symbols on the [Cathedrals] Great Bronze Doors. There are 40 different religious symbols, all of them portraying God's presence or power in a variety of faith traditions. Robert Graham's book in the [Cathedral] gift shop describes each in its totality.
To: TotusTuus
but I do know that none of us has any right or authority to "excommunicate" the CardinalA prelate loses jurisdiction when he teaches heresy. The most glaring example in Mahony's case is his letter on the Eucharist for which Mother Angelica took him to task.
To: AAABEST
Apparently sodomites who sodomize teenage boys are "in communion" with Cardinal Maphony's Arian-Neo-Gnostic-Neo-Albigensian-Iconoclast-Modernist Rite People's Church as along as they love radical modernist architecture, liturgical dance, and eastern meditation. But people who like what the Catholic Church taught and practiced before 1965, what the Church has always taught and practiced, are not genuine Catholics.
I would like to hear from LA's Cardinal that he accepts ALL the teachings of the Church taught by the current Pope and the Church, including the point in canon law which forbids ordaining homosexuals. How many of Maphony's LA priests believe and observe EVERYTHING that the Catholic Church teaches??? Where has the Church ever taught that it can contradict the teachings of the Church from another period? Where was there ever a pro-sodomite modernist minimalist people's Church which reduced the Catholic faith to a mild form of socialism???
To: TotusTuus
Until then, I don't think our Lord is pleased by this attack on the Archbishop. The Lord is his Judge. Thanks for reading our Lord's mind for us.
If you have no problem with heathen Hindu and Zen praying and watching half naked Hawaiian hula girls desecrate the altar that's your problem. As for me I want no part of it.
Upside is down is and rightside is up when those who worship as Catholics have for centuries have are condemned while every kind of false God is Glorified and welcomed.
It's too bad that some are so blind that they can't see. Sorry to inform you that you fit in that category.
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posted on
03/01/2004 6:17:08 PM PST
by
AAABEST
(<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org">Traditional Catholicism is Back and Growing</a>)
To: TotusTuus
BTW, this is a true story, told directly to me by a nun friend and sometimes spiritual director (Novus Ordo).
There was a priest in Mahony's diocese who claimed to have an Eucharist which dripped olive oil. He told Mahony who replied "I don't want that kind of thing going on in my diocese" and promptly kicked the priest out. The priest sought association in the Sacramento diocese under the previous bishop. Eventually, the Eucharist was taken from the priest. Many believe he was a fraud, but I think he still has groups loyal to him around the state. He died in 1997 and his followers want him canonized. Yikes, don't get me started on THAT. I will personally fight it all the way to Rome.
To: AAABEST
As the Second Vatican Council teaches us, it is the Church's belief that everyone goes to heaven "through the salvific merits of Jesus Christ." Therefore, if they belong to another faith community, we believe that it is still the merits of Jesus' Paschal Mystery that enables them to reach the Kingdom of God. Does Vatican II really teach that? If so, it seems to me to be a radical departure from what Christians, and especially Catholic Christians, have always believed.
The scriptures indicate that not everyone will be saved.
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posted on
03/01/2004 6:20:56 PM PST
by
Aliska
To: AAABEST; NYer; BlackElk; Land of the Irish
A man who allowed practicing sodomites and criminal pederasts to perform sacraments and officiate at Masses is in no position to lecture to anyone about Catholicism.
To: AAABEST
LET's ALL KISS AND HUG KIDS!
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posted on
03/01/2004 6:27:28 PM PST
by
AAABEST
(<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org">Traditional Catholicism is Back and Growing</a>)
To: Aliska; AAABEST; NYer
I think he means that everyone
who does go to heaven is saved "through the salvific merits of Jesus Christ" as taught by the
Catholic Church. The dear Cardinal has omitted a correct and precise theological explanation of the Catholic teaching on "Baptism of Desire." Or that the Catholic faith represents the fullest expression of the teachings of Jesus Christ.
In fairness, he may be too busy with legal paperwork and has not had time to keep up on Catholic theology.
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