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To: JulieRNR21
To the contrary, you say I didn't address it. I did, several times, here are some repeats:

Dr. Miravalle’s Vox Populi Mariae Mediatrici movement has presented over five million signatures to the Holy See humbly requesting a solemn definition of the Marian titles Coredemptress, Mediatress or all graces and Advocate. A third of the cardinals and over a quarter of the Catholic episcopate have signed the petitions.

The present Holy Father since the beginning of his pontificate has, like his immediate predecessors in the See of Peter, often taught the doctrine of Marian coredemption, and is the first Pope since Pius XI to employ the title Coredemptress in public addresses, where he has used it at least six times.

JOHN PAUL II
GENERAL AUDIENCE
Wednesday 9 April 1997
Dear Brothers and Sisters, Continuing our catechesis on the Blessed Virgin Mary, we are considering her cooperation in the redemptive sacrifice of Christ. All Christians are called to cooperate with God as his fellow-workers (cf. 1 Cor 3:9) in spreading the fruits of the Redemption accomplished on Calvary. But the Second Vatican Council reminds us that Mary's cooperation with Christ, unlike that of other Christians, remains "completely unique" (Lumen Gentium, 61), since it forms a part of the very events by which her Son achieved our salvation.

The basis of this unique cooperation is Mary's divine motherhood and her sharing in Jesus' life, culminating in her presence at the foot of the Cross. In God's plan, Mary is the "woman" (cf. Jn 2:4; 19:26), the New Eve, united to the New Adam in restoring humanity to its original dignity. Her cooperation with her Son continues for all time in the universal motherhood which she enjoys in the order of grace. Trusting in this maternal cooperation, let us turn to Mary, imploring her help in all our needs.

"Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."

The new Adam brought spiritual life where the old one brought death. What is the new Eve to bring if not the same? Also, she cooperated in the redemptive sacrifice of Christ, according to the Pope. Put another way she is a participant in redemption, put yet another way, a co-redemptor. Plus, she is ascribed "universal Motherhood." If she is the "universal Mother" spiritually how can that not be divine? In what other way could she be a "universal Mother?" That's what I'm interpreting from the words spoken. If there is a problem it seems to be in how they are being communicated rather than how they are being understood by me and others. Surely you can honestly see that it doesn't take twisting to understand his words in that way?

One doesn't have to twist anything to think she seems to be treated as divine.
434 posted on 02/22/2004 9:34:46 PM PST by jonboy
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To: jonboy
In what other way could she be a "universal Mother?"

I think you keep misunderstanding it. Catholics view this in a figurative light, that Mary is the Mother of the Church. She was the closest human to Jesus, and there's a lot of wisdom that she can give in understanding our role in the world. She considered herself to be the servant of the Lord, the handmaid of the Lord. God has rewarded her with a special place in Heaven, but she is not divine. Divine to Catholics means that the origin was heavenly, and Mary was an earthly creature. (Ok, I don't know where angels fall into that line of thinking, but we don't view angels as divine either). Perhaps this is something that we won't be able to explain well, or at least to your satisfaction. It's okay to not understand every last detail. That's what growth is all about. In due time, we'll all understand better than we do right now.

436 posted on 02/22/2004 10:12:37 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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