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To: heyheyhey
The Pope has made a real mess. The office of Devil's Advocate has indeed been eliminated. The so-called "miraculous" recovery recently of a woman who had been praying to Mother Teresa has been firmly debunked by secular physicians who attributed the recovery to appropriate medication exclusively; and the recent canonization of the founder of Opus Dei was actually totally controlled by Opus Dei itself--the Order even used its own physicians to investigate the necessary number of "miracles". Escriva, a friend of the Pope, was canonized in record time and investigators refused to listen to the testimony of associates who knew the man intimately and charged he was very far from saintly. Much has been made of this in the secular press--which is justifiably scornful of such chicanery. Rome's credibilty on all this is zilch.
8 posted on 01/19/2004 10:44:36 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Your points about recent canonisations are well expressed and (alas!) quite factual.

Another problem is just the way that all this is being rushed. There is nothing like the passing of time to reveal the true nature of events, and people's lives and reputations. The haste of these new canonisations is in itself a risky experiment.

Some historians are just appalled by the shoddy research for certain recent canonisations. There is a lot more information still to come, and it could cause a re-think about some of the individuals.
9 posted on 01/20/2004 4:23:10 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: ultima ratio
Until the time of Gregory IX, beatification was done locally.
The pope, a friend of St. Francis, canonized Francis without any lengthy process.
10 posted on 01/20/2004 8:48:17 AM PST by RobbyS (XPqu)
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To: ultima ratio
Personally, I don't have any objections whatsoever to the beatification and canonization of Mother Teresa regardless of what the "secular" media says.

I had followed closely for years a pre-beatification procedure of one particular saintly monk who died in 1950's, a contemporary of John Paul II. The whole process stalled because of ONE detail in his life. Unless the evidence of his weakness (it's nothing criminal or terribly sinful) is clarified in favorable way, the monk will not be beatified.

11 posted on 01/20/2004 10:10:26 AM PST by heyheyhey
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To: ultima ratio; sitetest; Hermann the Cherusker; St.Chuck
The Pope has made a real mess..... The so-called "miraculous" recovery recently of a woman who had been praying to Mother Teresa has been firmly debunked by secular physicians .... Escriva, a friend of the Pope, was canonized in record time ...... Much has been made of this in the secular press--which is justifiably scornful of such chicanery. Rome's credibilty on all this is zilch.

LMAO. I know you have no idea just how hysterically funny this is and how revealing it is of your opposition to the Living Magisterium, Vatican I, Matt 16:18...

You accept the authority of "secular physicians" and "the secular press" as Gospel while attacking Divinely Constituted authority.

Thanks for the laugh this morning. When I read your posts, I imagine you are firing these off looking like Howard Dean (A Donkey on Crack, as Ann Coulter calls him)addressing his Iowa supporters.

54 posted on 01/22/2004 7:33:19 AM PST by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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