But Is Mel Gibson Catholic?

Pangaeus ^

[missyme]

There is a great program on Discovery Channel right now Sunday 7:00 pst regarding John and The Book of Revelation
if anyome is interested

[Salvation]

120 out of 197 diocese is a big difference that your first asserttion when you said, MANY.

I realize that these Masses may be few and far between in some western dioceses, but in the east they should all be within an hour or so.

[Salvation]

Are you in Portland, OR? or in California?

[Salvation]

But most people use Catholic and Roman Catholic interchangeably. Both names mean the same to most people. (Therefore, you and I might be the exception here.

[Land of the Irish]

I can speak for this diocese and there are several parishes where I could attend a Latin Mass. I choose not to.

That's your loss. Do you think any Catholic had a "choice" 50 years ago? Now you've got "31 Flavors", take your pick.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Drop in more often!

[rogator]

Oregon coast. I was referring to the Portland diocese and all adjacent dioceses.

[Salvation]

i attended the all Latin Masses and I was bored to death and never understood what was going on. I continue to choose the Mass in the language of the people even though I could attend a Latin Mass if I wanted to drive fifth miles or so.

[Land of the Irish]

i attended the all Latin Masses and I was bored to death and never understood what was going on.

Who do you blame that on? Countless Catholics have gone before us with nothing but the Traditional Mass. Some had missals, many did not. But I never heard of them complaining of being "bored".

[Dajjal]

There were long private chapels all over Europe.
61 posted on 01/11/2004 6:02:08 PM PST by onedoug

“You can’t just build your own church,” Johnson says.
What a stupid comment! Of course you can. You just can't make it into a parish willy nilly. I have a couple of wealthy friends who have just gone and "built their own Church" on their property.
69 posted on 01/11/2004 6:11:45 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker

The tradition of maintaining a private chapel has a long history in the Catholic Church. The major qualifications are whether the patron can afford to keep a priest on retainer and that the priest is in good standing. The status of the Malibu church really rests upon the priest, not upon Mr. Gibson. And I don't believe the priest's name has been made public.

To NYer and Salvation: Like Land of the Irish and nickcarraway, I have never heard that Mel's father Hutton -- or Mel -- attends an SSPX church. In fact, in the one Hutton Gibson book I have read (Time Out of Mind), he seems to have serious differences with the SSPX. Post #12 certainly offers no evidence associating the Gibsons with the SSPX.

(Not that there's anything wrong with attending SSPX Masses.)

Canticle_of_Deborah and Snuffington are correct that it is Mahony whose Catholicism should be examined under a microscope. Gibson's craft is acting and film-making; examine how well he performs and directs.

And I agree with Land of the Irish, welfareworker and Snuffington that this Kevin Johnson seems to be clueless.

NYer: I think it's a bit ironic that you invoke the Ambrosian liturgy. Did you know that we would not have the Ambrosian Rite today if it were not for irregular and clandestine performance of the Ambrosian liturgy, as well as open resistance against the pope by priests and laity when Popes Nicholas II and St. Gregory VII (and others) tried to abolish the Ambrosian Rite?

In this case, the people were right to resist, disobey and defy an attempt by the pope to break a tradition of the Church handed down from time immemorial.

[rogator]

"i attended the all Latin Masses and I was bored to death and never understood what was going on. I continue to choose the Mass in the language of the people even though I could attend a Latin Mass if I wanted to drive fifth miles or so."

You are fortunate to live within 50 miles of the only regularly scheduled (according to the USCCB) Sunday Latin Mass in the Pacific Northwest between British Columbia and Sacramento. A million or so of the rest of us northwestern Catholics are not so fortunate.
If you indeed know of several Latin Masses in our Portland Archdiocese or even the Seattle Archdiocese, please let us know.

[Dajjal]

Sorry -- I left your name out of the list of people I agreed with that this "canon lawyer" Johnson is clueless.

[nickcarraway]

So you believe that everyone who goes to a Jesuit, Franciscan, Benedectine, Holy Ghost Father, etc. university is not Catholic?

I went to Santa Clara University for four years and never realized I left the Catholic Church.

[nickcarraway]

Canon Law #751 says "Schism is the withdrawal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or from communion with the members of the Church subject to him."

By this standard many bishops and religious orders in the United States are schismatic. Perhaps the majority?

[nickcarraway]

Is it really proper to be discussing the state of a certain individuals soul or whether or not their schismatic?

[Dajjal]

ping

[kentuckyusa]

Posted by Salvation to kentuckyusa On Religion 01/11/2004 7:50:47 PM PST #84 of 96 But most people use Catholic and Roman Catholic interchangeably. Both names mean the same to most people. (Therefore, you and I might be the exception here.

We should work to undo that blasphemous misconception.

For we have nothing in commoon with them as articulated by God through His apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 6:14 and on.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Nope. There was no "Church". A group of men hoping to make a monastic foundation set up a chapel and living quarters. Others decided to come and assist them out of devotion with aid in building the facilities and joining them privately in worship. There was no faux Parish or anything else.

The Bishop of course became opposed because the men wanted to keep the Latin Mass. But the Bishop can't stop people from inviting priests to come and say Mass at their home, nor can he stop people from attending privately.

[Aquinasfan]

So where does that leave Gibson? “Well, I hope he’s Catholic," Johnson says. "We’d love to have him.”

That about sums it up. Regardless, the movie will stand or fall on its own merits. I'm betting that it will become one of the biggest grossers of all time, but more importantly, it will become one of the greatest evangelical films of this century.

[rogator]

"The Bishop of course became opposed because the men wanted to keep the Latin Mass."

"...of course..."

Why are so many bishops hostile to the notion of Catholics worshiping in their traditional language? Are we somehow a threat to them or what?