[dangus]

>>The sacraments generally pervert scripture as much in what they cause as in what they get wrong. There is no ritual that I'm aware of mentioned in the entire New testament that is required to be a Christian.>>

Because you deny the very Words of Christ, himself!
"And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins..."
"...Unless you eat of my body and drink of my blood, you shall have no life within you."

Father, forgive him, for he knows not what he speaks!

[Havoc]

Actually, he does know of what he speaks; but, he isn't going to debate the entire system in one thread just to avoid being tarred. I'm over it lol. When you guys learn to read scripture and understand that a cup of 'my blood' that is still wine isn't actually blood.. you might get somewhere. You also might understand that when he calls the cup the new covenant, either that cup is the new covenent, or the agreement between God and men is. You might also understand, by learning to read, that when Christ institutes a jewish meal of remembrance and says 'this do in remembrance of me' - it is a meal of remembrance using metaphors just as the jewish passover meal..