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Here again I see the words "supposedly" and "probably". Where are these alleged relics? Why aren't they under lock and key? If any of these alleged relics were real the Vatican would have taken them away for safe keeping.

St. Helena had a vision of where the Cross of Christ was buried. She made a pilgrimage there and indeed found a large wooden cross buried. The sick who touched the relic were immediately cured of their illnesses. The Cross was taken back to the Vatican where it is today under lock and key. Few know the actual location as prevention against theft. Periodically the relic is taken out and tiny splinters are removed and placed in metal crucifixes. These are extremely difficult to obtain and are mostly given to exorcists to assist them in their work and Churches for veneration.

Again, I know nothing of these alleged relics. If they were real they would not be sitting in a Church in Germany and certainly not lost.

What's with the current jihad against Catholics? Don't you have a sermon to prepare for tomorrow?

Naah. Relics are sort of fascinating to Proddies in a wierd way. It sort of works for us like this:

CRG and Apostolic Prod friend in restaurant in So Cal (Mexican food with some seriously unhealthy but oh so tasty delights). On the walls are the rather bloody pictures of Our Lord Crucified. Apostolic friend: "He is OFF THE CROSS already! Take Him down!" Me: :-) Seriously, it seems (from our perspective) like some of the relics are keeping the Savior ON the cross, not as the Risen Lord. Again it is a perception thing. :-) Hope that helps a little.

***What's with the current jihad against Catholics?***

No jihad. No more than Luther's 95 Theses were a jihad. Both are points for debate. BTW, have I said anything against a Catholic? I have questioned Catholic practice and tradition. Why do you consider that a jihad?

***Don't you have a sermon to prepare for tomorrow?***

Nope. Off this week.

Why does this historically oriented thread offend you? Are you questioniang Nicholas Cranach's integrity in cataloguing the relics of Wittenburg? Are you questioning Hillerbrand's integrity in his book.