[Catholicguy]

Ihave read a lot of Fortescue, Dom Cabrol, Jungmann and Dom Gueranger. I don't have the stuff at my fingertips - I got the books laying all about - but Fortescue, imo, is correct and Dr. Sippo is orthodox.

I know there are disagreements ahout Liturgical History - which makes it so much fun - but Dr. Sippo ain't a lib; nor, are you an integrist.

[Tantumergo]

"but Dr. Sippo ain't a lib; nor, are you an integrist."

I'm sure he isn't, but what I want to know is what grounds he and Fortescue have for asserting that there used to be a SPECIFIC and EXPLICIT epiclesis in the Roman rite that was subsequently dropped?

If it is based on the presence of an epiclesis in Hippolytus' anaphora (which the Concilium and ICEL butchered to produce the present EPII), then I think their mistake lies in assuming that the Hippolytan prayer was ever a formal part of the Roman Rite. There is no evidence to suggest that it ever was!