Posted on 12/21/2003 4:41:40 AM PST by Pharmboy
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30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
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In the Godhead
God the Father is the Hightest.
Son of God is the second member
Holy Spirit is the 3rd member of the Godhead
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From what I understand of Mormonism, they state God the Father has flesh and bones but cannot support that belief
with specific quotes from Bible. I went around and around with one particular Mormon a while ago and he insisted I was wrong; yet he never provided direct Biblical evidence to support his statement despite his many claims to the contrary.
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Geting back to the Son of God which the mainline believes is God the Father himself incarnate to become the Son of God who was crucified and and risen and received as the Son of God (and at the time God the Father)a body of Flesh and Bone!
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Luke 34
34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
36 ¶ And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 ¶ And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
And your point is . . . ?
Would you please rewrite the above so I can better understand what you're saying?
Geting back to the Son of God which the mainline believes is God the Father himself incarnate to become the Son of God who was crucified and and risen and received as the Son of God (and at the time God the Father)a body of Flesh and Bone!
Here too, thanks.
My post contained points addressed to both you and to someone else who had attacked the Oral Law. Did you not read the other name in the header?
I am sorry you felt my stating certain facts (which should be self-evident but are practically unknown in the US) qualified as a "rant."
I'm convinced that adherents won't answer some questions directly because the replies would be so outlandish as to cause scandal.
A Mormon acquaintance once implied that the answers to my questions couldn't be answered yet... that I needed to become "seasoned" first... it had something to do with "milk before solid food." My takeaway from that is "First we have to brainwash you with the normal-sounding stuff before we ease you into the loonier aspects of our beliefs."
It annoys me that you can't get Yes/No answers to simple questions like "Does God the Father have human form?" It's like listening to Democrats on TV.
Nicene Creed/Trinity is results of man understanding of the Godhead accoring to Constantine
The Nicene creed folks believes that God the Father and earth mother (of Jesus) who was Mary beheld the fetus in her womb which the Nicene creed believe is the incarnate of God the Father who also become the Son of God!
The Nicene creed belives it was all done by the Holy Spirit, when in the scriptures says Jesus was Fathered by the Highest who is God the Father who Fathered Jesus Not the Holy Spirit!
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Luke 1
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: ,p> 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
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In the Godhead
God the Father is the Hightest.
Son of God is the 2nd member
Holy Spirit is the 3rd member of the Godhead
***
From what I understand of Mormonism, they state God the Father has flesh and bones but cannot support that belief with specific quotes from Bible.
I went around and around with one particular Mormon a while ago and he insisted I was wrong; yet he never provided direct Biblical evidence to support his statement despite his many claims to the contrary.
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Geting back to the Son of God which the Nicene creed believes is God the Father himself incarnate to become the Son of God who was crucified and and risen and received as the Son of God (and at the same time God the Father)a body of Flesh and Bone!
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Luke 34 35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
36 ¶ And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 ¶ And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high
Oh, you're right. Any story that originates outside of the mormon church in NOT INVALID or A TAD BIASED. I couldn't agree more.
Anything less and we can fall for anything. It bothers me to no end that folks don't fully comprehend that concept.
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