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All I know is when polls are conducted asking people what religion they are, two of the choices are "agnostic" and "atheist". The way agnostic just got defined in this thread by others couldn't really stand as a belief system on it's own - merely a specific stipulation that could belong to atheists or Christians or any other faith. That's my evidence for claiming that agnosticism has always been defined as what you call "weak atheism", as it's own belief structure.

Personally, I've always seen this attempt at redefinition as a rather bald attempt by atheists to statistically increase their numbers. Personally, I won't play. I completely reject the label atheist in it's entirety as applying to myself. Agnostic is what I am, and if anyone wishes to believe that such a thing doesn't really exist and I really -have- to be an atheist, knock yerselves out. I ain't going to fight about it, but I'm not going to wordsmith either just to appease the atheist version of politically correct speech.

Sorry, I'm getting cranky, been talking about this for hours, probably should get some sack time.

Qwinn