[Dimensio]

That would include agnostics as well.

No, an agnostic is one who believes that it is impossible to know whether or not a god exists. An agnostic could accept the existence of god "on faith" and still be a theist.

Being atheist implies an active DENIAL of the concept of gods.

A = without.
Theism = belief in a god or gods.
Atheism = without belief in a god or gods.

It's like how asymmetry means "without symmetry". That you don't like the definition of atheism does not change it.

[Qwinn]

*sigh* It never, ever fails.

I am using the terms agnostic and atheist as they are commonly referenced and understood. And the way they are commonly understood make conversation a -heck- of a lot simpler.

Yes, I have heard people try to designate what I call atheism as "hard atheism" and what I call agnosticism as "soft atheism". I've been led around and around on this so many times, I really can't handle it anymore.

For the sake of discussion, and because it really -is- a heck of a lot simpler, can we just go with the definitions as I presented them? If I have to get into Latin-parsing over what really doesn't materially change anything regarding the discussion, I'm going to pass out.

Qwinn