[joe032783]

tell me this.
imagine this:
you are an american soldier. you're fighting in iraq.
two local tribes agree to fight with you. so, you're
hanging out at the base, and suddenly a large enemy force
shows up and starts to attack your camp, with the intent
to kill every american inside.
.....at this point, the two local tribes begin to cause
trouble within your camp and betray you to the enemy.
...it's ok though, because the american group is eventually able to defeat the enemy force anyway.

tell me, at this point what would you do to the two tribes who betrayed you? what would you expect someone to do if this same type of situation happened to them sometime around 620 ad?

that's basically what happened to muhammad and the muslims of the time. they were being persecuted and tortured in mekka, for saying there was one god instead of many. so, they fled to medina, where they were invited to come by the local leaders. everyone there signed an agreement that they would protect eachother, regardless of eachother's religion. when the mekkans came, with the intent to kill all the muslims, two of the tribes in their alliance betrayed them. these two tribes were jewish tribes. the fact that they betrayed the muslims when all of their lives were at stake was the problem, not that they were jewish, and no educated muslim will tell you otherwise.
as a matter of fact, there were other jews at the time who did not break their alliance made with the muslims. they weren't harmed for being jewish. antisemetism is basically a western invention. you can see how far it was developed in the west by hitler.

[tictoc]

Every single word in your post is a lie, including "is", "and", and "the".

Tell you what. Most people on FreeRepublic.com are not really well-versed in Islamic history, and I don't have the time to do a point-by-point takedown of your lies.

Here is my suggestion.

Ali Sina, the founder of Faithfreedom.org, has an open challenge to Muslims worldwide.

If they can debate him and convincingly argue that the Koran was given to Mohammed by G-d, and that Mohammad was not a murderous, perverted brigand, he will take down his web site and forever hold his peace.

Fame and possibly fortune await you if you can do it.

Go here http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=11 and give it your best shot!

[rmlew]

1. You explained Yathrib/Medina, not Khaibar.
2. If you want to accept a magical plot as a matter of faith, fine, but don't expect non-Muslims to accept it.
3. Take a good look at Dhimmi status. It is not race based but religion based. The discrimination still exists.

I do want to applaud you, as a moderate Muslim, defending your religion on this forum. There are many angry and ignorant folk who hate all Muslims.

[MEGoody]

"antisemetism is basically a western invention."

Then you need to have a loooooong talk with some Islamic leaders - start with Arafat.