[AntiGuv]

I'm posting this primarily to make two relevant observations (aside from the fact that it just hit at least Yahoo's frontpage news):

1) Without going into boring detail, Qazi Rahman has come under some question for misrepresenting other researchers work. While I do not mean to cast doubt on this study of its own accord and on its own merits, Rahman's characterization of the results is open to valid objection, IMHO. Rahman is clearly an adherent to the biased agenda of proving that sexual orientation is an inborn trait in both men & women.

2) It must be emphasized - as Rahman does not and as the 3 media reports I've seen on the matter do not - that the difference between straight men and gay men was not statistically significant. These results actually point toward one of the conclusions which are the subject of a much broader work that I've been engaged in for some while now (to be published some day or other):

That sexual orientation is largely predetermined amongst females but not so amongst males - or, more accurately, that biological factors exert a much stronger influence on the sexual preferences of women than of men (where the influence is marginal, at best). In short, that the mechanisms of sexual orientation are not directly comparable mirror processes between men and women (as most researchers have tended to assume - incorrectly, IMHO) or necessarily uniform within either.

[TaxRelief]

It's interesting that all the identical twin studies can be so easily dismissed. What do you suppose he used as a control group for the lesbian/non-lesbians. Very feminine heteros vs. butch lesbos?

Pretty soon they'll be requiring all parents of 10-yr-olds to submit their children to "foolproof" sexual orientation testing, under the guise of protecting the kids who will be determined to "be" homos.

[TaxRelief]

It's interesting that all the identical twin studies can be so easily dismissed. What do you suppose he used as a control group for the lesbian/non-lesbians. Very feminine heteros vs. butch lesbos?

Pretty soon they'll be requiring all parents of 10-yr-olds to submit their children to "foolproof" sexual orientation testing, under the guise of protecting the kids who will be determined to "be" homos.

[waRNmother.armyboots]

Anyone who truly understands causality or true science would gag on this.

[WhiteGuy]

well now..............

This should piss a bunch of people off.

[Maelstrom]

Once again they have assumed causality when it is not necessarily apparent.

I have no doubt in my mind that participation in homosexual behavior has a physiological and neurologicaly impact. It is quite likely that those changes will be
discovered in the brain and in neurological responses.

This disease, whether learned or congenital can still be cured through treatment.

[punster]

Sexual orientation may not be genetic in origin. However, there is considerable evidence of congenital factors. Examples:

1. Rat experiments. Pregnant female rats were dosed with cyproterone acetate, a potent androgen blocking agent. When the drug was given during the period of fetal development corresponding to brain and central nervous system development, the male offspring exhibited female mating responses.

2. Girls that are born with congenital adrenal hyperplasia. The condition exposes the female fetuses to excess androgens during gestation. The incidence of lesbianism is increased among these girls.

3. Women that have androgen insensitivity syndrome. They are genetically XY (male) in their chromosome count. They do not respond to androgens (testosterone). They have female external genitals and they have a female sex drive and identify as women.

4. Women that have gonadal agenesis, Swyer's syndrome. They have an XY (male) cromosome count. However because of a defective SRY section of the Y chromosome, they do not develop testes. Because there is no testosterone or muellerian inhibiting hormone, they develop female external genital structure and they also develop a uterus, but no ovaries. They see themselves as women and have female sex drives. Medical literature reports that one of these women bore a child (in vitro fertilization of a donated ova and artificial implantation within the uterus).

The presence or absence of testosterone is the key to external genital development and development of sexual orientation and gender identity.

[Centurion2000]

So how long until the liberal evolutionists come out and say that this is a lethal gene mutation (at the species level) ??

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[metalboy]

I`m genetically programmed so that I am into heavy parrot love. oh those feathers! what i want to know if homos are genetically programmed from birth then why? Wouldn`t that gene be extinct by now? I mean who is passing this gene? David crosby?

[wardaddy]

I have no idea about genetics versus conditioning on this issue.

I will say from having grown up and noticing around age 5 or so sissies and how they acted and then watching as those sissies evolved and often but not always they became homosexual. Does a 5 year old make a choice to be a sissy?

Frequently, they came from mommy dominated or uber-coddled homes or all female homes. But then some of the biggest horndogs I've known came from chick families with no dad. If that were the primary reason, then most black dudes would be homosexual and I know that ain't happening.

I think some folks are predisposed to either be conditioned to queerdom or choose it purposely. Something is there from early on that is different and leads to that choice.

I've seen it over and over and over. I don't think some average Joe just wakes up in the middle of puberty and goes "damn, I find girls repugnant except as shopping companions and I'd really rather kiss a man"...nah...it all starts a lot earlier...like really earlier.

I can already tell the meeker ones in my 40 month old son's pre-school class.

I think the feminization of America and the PC attempt to soften boys may indeed add to more homosexuals down the road. Boys need to be boys...play with toy guns, fight, learn to stand up and learn with time to do the right thing....and as they get older be encouraged to view girls as different and to treat them deferentially. And hopefully...they will be heterosexual.

This is a damned vexing topic. Dyke Lesbos?....I'm not sure they have much choice...hell they act more like men than most men.

[JohnnyZ]

Startling Study Says People May Be Born Gay

Geez, enough about Wesley Clark already!!!

[grumple]

Funny...I've searched all over and can't find anywhere that silly report that indicates that same sex pedophilia and same sex child molestation might contribute to one growing up gay...

More people are forced into gayness than are born into it...

no need to worry...I'm not an ESPN sports commentator...

[GraniteStateConservative]

2) It must be emphasized - as Rahman does not and as the 3 media reports I've seen on the matter do not - that the difference between straight men and gay men was not statistically significant. These results actually point toward one of the conclusions which are the subject of a much broader work that I've been engaged in for some while now (to be published some day or other):

That sexual orientation is largely predetermined amongst females but not so amongst males - or, more accurately, that biological factors exert a much stronger influence on the sexual preferences of women than of men (where the influence is marginal, at best). In short, that the mechanisms of sexual orientation are not directly comparable mirror processes between men and women (as most researchers have tended to assume - incorrectly, IMHO) or necessarily uniform within either.

Geez, JR. You're a regular Renaissance Man.

[r9etb]

To restate your last in perhaps a more readable form:

There is no reason to assume, as this researcher has done, that lesbianism and male homosexuality are two sides of the same coin. They may very well be caused by completely different things.

[ampat]

And hitler, mussolini, stalin, amin, and hussein were all born as murderous dictators.

[asformeandformyhouse]

Bravo Sierra. Although no one is born gay, it could be said that it was hereditary. You get it from your 'Uncle'. :)

[bmwcyle]

OK I was born that way but I grew up and learn about women.

[cookcounty]

Evenif true, so what? Like virtually all males I am oriented toward multiple relations with thousands of women. But, that does not mean it is right to act on that orientation.

[biblewonk]

This article is so gay.

[aruanan]

The guy also seems to assume that because there may be "hardwiring" for sexual orientation that it means that one is just as hard-wired to be homosexual as to be heterosexual. It may very well be that one's degree of sexual orientation may be along a scale of less to more determined with heterosexuals (given their predominance and the necessity for continuation of the species) at the top of being most genetically determined. If this is the case, though, it would make the "we just can't help it" ploy unsustainable exactly to the degree that one is less hardwired to be heterosexual than more hardwired to be homosexual.

[wideminded]

This study merely confirms the results of some other small studies including examinations of finger-length ratios and acoustic emissions from the ears, that point to various physical characteristics of lesbians being midway between those of average men and women. There was also news recently that a very high percentage of lesbians have a disorder called polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS). All this seems to suggest that many cases of lesbianism derive from prenatal adrogen exposure.