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It's aquatic. It's epic. But is it real art?
Christian Science Monitor ^ | October 2, 2003 | Randy Dotinga

Posted on 10/04/2003 2:11:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

A proposal to build a landmark piece of sculpture sparks a debate over artistic taste and the city's identity.


SPIRIT OF THE SEAS: Five killer whales pull Neptune in artist's conception of a 50-million-dollar civic fountain on San Diego's waterfront. The city's artistic community and residents are divided over the merits of the proposed sculpture. COURTESY OF A. WASIL

SAN DIEGO - Considering that they're a creative bunch to begin with, it's perhaps no surprise that the art crowd in America's seventh-largest city has come up with plenty of ways to describe a proposed $50 million civic fountain.

The real humdinger is the force of the language used to slap around the waterfront project, which envisions five bronze killer whales tethered to a five-story-tall sculpture of Neptune.

Words like "hackneyed," "clichéd," and "irrelevant" are just the beginning. The fountain is an "artistic embarrassment" and a "kitschy retread of Soviet-style socialist realism," complains a coalition of big shots from the arts community in a letter to the San Diego Union-Tribune. "It is so solidly and squarely in the past and conservative and unambitious in every way that it would just label us as mediocre," says the director of a local art museum.

Moving in for the kill is Union-Tribune art critic Robert Pincus, who writes: "If this is the future for art in public places here, then let's have public places without art."

Yikes. With all these negative vibes, one might think Neptune & Co. would never move beyond the drawing board. But a funny thing happened on the way to the scrapheap of rejected public art projects. Many members of the public - along with a coalition of enthusiastic city boosters - actually like the thing.

"It's something that people would put on their lists of things to visit and see," predicts a hopeful Reint Reinders, president of the San Diego Convention & Visitors Bureau.

This is hardly the first clash over the aesthetic value of a piece of public art. In a country where an estimated 360 government agencies sponsor public art programs, arguments such as this happen all the time.

But the battle of words - and wills - over the proposed artwork in San Diego comes with higher stakes than most. And not just because of the multimillion dollar price tag. Rather, this is an issue of civic pride. If built, the massive sculpture has the potential to become a signature landmark in a burgeoning city that is seeking greater recognition and a clearer individual identity.

This sun-blessed border city already has plenty of sights - the San Diego Zoo (always preceded by the words "world famous"), the beaches (including a renowned one where clothes are optional), and hot spots for the rich and famous like La Jolla and Coronado.

But some of the nearly 1.3 million residents here sense that the world thinks of their town as little more than a satellite of the behemoth burg to the north.

To critics such as Hugh Davies, director of the Museum of Contemporary Art San Diego, the city's never-ending brouhahas over public art may doom it to second-class status, forever in the shadow of Los Angeles. "We have an unusually checkered and undistinguished history in our inability to build or welcome works of public art," Mr. Davies says.

In the most recent fray, officials here sank a project by artist Nancy Rubins. She wanted to cover a street next to the convention center with an arch of fiberglass boat parts that made one critic think of "hurricanes, perhaps mutiny, certainly claims against insurance policies." Ellsworth Kelly and Vito Acconci, two other well-known artists, also lost their bids to create public art in San Diego. A ballot measure in 1998 forced a nearby coastal city to tear down "Split Pavilion," a jail-like fence of metal bars along the beachfront.

But the flap over the Neptune fountain, dubbed "Spirit of the Seas," is different.

The project is huge, permanent and, some say, accessible to those lacking advanced degrees in art history. "It's not a challenge to understand," says Dan Wasil, whose brother A. Wasil, a San Diego sculptor, created the design. "It's very compelling. People enjoy the scale, the work itself, and they enjoy the vision."

The flap in San Diego is reminiscent of other controversies over large pieces of art in public places.

In the late 1980s, Cleveland officials bickered before agreeing to brighten a grassy spot next to City Hall with a giant rubber stamp made of aluminum and steel. And earlier this year, Milwaukee killed an artist's $165,000 plan to hang a giant blue shirt on a parking structure at Mitchell International Airport. "No one has ever flown into Mitchell and thought, 'What this airport needs is a 40-foot garment welcoming people to the city,' " wrote newspaper columnist Jim Stingl.

But the San Diego case may yet prove different from those others in a crucial way: the Roman god of the sea, his killer whales, and an accompanying herd of seahorses may not cost a dime of taxpayer money. A. Wasil hopes to get corporate sponsorship, raising the specter of, say, a Pfizer Pfountain or Nissan Neptune in a town that already will soon be home to a new baseball stadium called Petco Park.

The proposal came directly from A. Wasil, and officials didn't run it past a panel of artists. Now, as a government decision nears on the fate of the fountain, artists have no greater voice than anyone else.

"We've spent a lifetime honing our eyes and developing our knowledge," Davies says. "It's enormously insulting that anyone's opinion is as valued as mine when they haven't spent their lifetime honing their eye and educating themselves."

And what of the unsophisticated masses? About 750 sent messages this summer to the government agency in charge of the waterfront, and they were evenly divided pro and con.

If the public likes it and it's free, why not build the fountain? After all, as Mr. Reinders of the visitor's organization puts it, art is "in the eye of the beholder."

"Nonsense," Davies says. "There is expertise in art, like in any other discipline, but for some reason, people expect to suspend professional judgment when it comes to art. It's loosey-goosey and 'makes-me-feel-good,' when art is so much more sophisticated and advanced than that."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: art; artsnobs; publicsquare; sandiego; sculpture; spending; statue
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Be very very careful of anything aquatic

Volusia officials DELAND, FL (AP) -- The Kentucky family of a teenage girl who was bitten by a shark during a Florida vacation in July 2000 has sued Volusia County officials, arguing they should have been warned of potential shark attacks.

Amber Benningfield, who was 13 at the time, was attacked by a shark in New Smyrna Beach while she played in the surf. The shark bit her left calf and scratched her hand as she tried to escape. The Bowling Green, Ky., teenager was treated at a hospital and released.

According to the lawsuit filed Sept. 16, the county should have provided a warning "of the dangerous condition created by the sharks." The suit argues the county acted negligently and is responsible for Amber's permanent scarring, disability and disfigurement. The suit seeks unspecified damages of more than $15,000.

21 posted on 10/04/2003 6:12:25 AM PDT by scouse
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To: Ditter
I'm definitely untrained and love it. I've always wanted a replica of the Apollo fountain in my backyard, but hubby says it would be a bit pretentious for Boonieville, Alabama. What does he know?


22 posted on 10/04/2003 6:14:29 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
this thing is HUGH! and can make some series money...

just think of all the coins tossed into it by the people walking passed... and there will be a lot of people that cannot avoid this money maker... $50 million will be made up in about three months of coins...

i also agree that removing it when the aclu complains that it sanctions a religion will be costly, but in the meantime it can ease california's budget woes...

teeman
23 posted on 10/04/2003 6:19:13 AM PDT by teeman8r (an interactive fountain would spark more interest than this behemoth... dancing water is cool)
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To: Quilla
Why not? I say go for it!
24 posted on 10/04/2003 6:19:43 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter
Now this is the truth: About 20 miles from us (as the crow flies) and doctor and his wife bought 100 acres in the middle of nowhere. They have been building a miniature replica (just 15,000 square feet) of the Biltmore for the past three years. They started with a basement of stone to house their wine cellar and it is now in the "dried-in" stage. I was involved with some of the framing construction and have only seen it as a shell. It is rather large to say the least. As it turns out, the property is smack dab in the middle of the flight path for a nearby military aviation training facility. Helicopers fly over their future home dozens of times per day. I understand they are livid and have called the base on numerous occasions requesting the path be changed - to no avail. I must have an evil side, as each time I envision the phone call, I giggle.
25 posted on 10/04/2003 6:31:34 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Quilla
People do some strange things with their money. West of Houston, near the town of Katy, an oriental man has reconstucted that army of Chinese warriors statues in full battle dress, that was unearthed in China. (I don't know what its called sorry.) I have seen it on the Houston news. I don't know if it is open to the public or not. Very strange, but I guess it makes him happy!
26 posted on 10/04/2003 6:48:09 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: The Turbanator
Wasn't Neptune a Greek god? We can't have any of that. No gods or Ten Commandments in public places

As long as it is not Christianity's God, it's o.k. Ancient Greek gods are mythology. Astrology is acceptable, the Ten Commandments are not - they are too real and threaten the Socialists agenda.

Communism is alive and well in America.

27 posted on 10/04/2003 6:58:11 AM PDT by slimer (i'm mad as hell and i'm not going to take it anymore!)
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To: Ditter
How interesting. I looked it up - it's called the Forbidden Gardens. Good pics here: http://www.texastwisted.com/attr/forbiddengardens/

That's what I love about Free Republic - you learn something new each day.
28 posted on 10/04/2003 7:02:37 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: commish
Criz Bustamonte just announced that AHNOLD posed nude for the Neptune part and then killed the whales barehanded and ate them afterward!

I heard that too. Didn't he use baby seals and kittens for bait?

29 posted on 10/04/2003 7:12:32 AM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I don't get what the problem is...
It think it is gorgeous.
30 posted on 10/04/2003 7:14:45 AM PDT by najida (He who is without baggage can cast the first Samsonite.)
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To: The Turbanator
Roman variation on the Greek Poseidon, if you want to be picky.

And no, I don't suspect the ACLU will show up over this.

And last but not least, I am trained, at least a little bit, and I think it's cool. As an artist/graphic designer, nothing yanks my chain more than random abstraction pushed as 'great art.'

Yeah, we'll fund elephant dung on the BVM, but we'll pass on Rockwell, Elvgren, Frazetta, et. al.; after all, they weren't ARTISTS, they were ILLUSTRATORS (that is, people bought there work; in the art world, this is a bad thing).

Of course, that's just MHO.
31 posted on 10/04/2003 7:15:45 AM PDT by Mr. Thorne (Happiness is gigs o' ram! Ooh! and a new video card! And the Diablo 1.10 beta!)
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To: Quilla
What a cool website, I bookmarked it. Thanks!
32 posted on 10/04/2003 7:16:15 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Aquatic Art:


33 posted on 10/04/2003 7:20:21 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I wonder what the art snobs would think of the Statue of Liberty. Or Mount Rushmore. Or Stone Mountain.

Actually, I don't.

Some sculptures are impressive just because of their scale. This one seems to me to capture a certain energy and motion that I am sure the city would like to be associated with.

If art is to evoke emotion, this one will. Definitely a keeper.

34 posted on 10/04/2003 7:33:23 AM PDT by TN4Liberty
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I like it. I think they should go all the way and put a clock in Neptunes belly, though.

We've spent a lifetime honing our eyes and developing our knowledge," Davies says. "It's enormously insulting that anyone's opinion is as valued as mine when they haven't spent their lifetime honing their eye and educating themselves.
Oh, that's priceless. Sums up in one sentence the culture war by the edu-class on society.

35 posted on 10/04/2003 9:08:24 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: Rebelbase
But not permanent. Except for the pictures that survive.
36 posted on 10/04/2003 9:15:07 AM PDT by xp38
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To: jordan8
I belly clock would be nice. He-he-he
37 posted on 10/04/2003 2:45:36 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: jordan8; Cincinatus' Wife
"We've spent a lifetime honing our eyes and developing our knowledge," Davies says. "It's enormously insulting that anyone's opinion is as valued as mine when they haven't spent their lifetime honing their eye and educating themselves."

Well, la de da, eh? Just how many degrees does one need before one is worthy to speak of oneself using the royal (or is that academic?) "we"?

I've spent a lifetime studying forearms, and as far as old Neptune goes, he's got mighty fine ones! (Besides, my father was born in Neptune, Ohio. This hayseed will just consider the statue a tribute to dad.) ;)
38 posted on 10/04/2003 2:55:34 PM PDT by Fawnn (It's official!!! Once again I am FAIR FUNKLE FAWNN!!!)
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To: Fawnn
Bump!
39 posted on 10/04/2003 3:08:35 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Today’s San Diego Union reports that A. Wasil died suddenly on Oct. 5. This is a major loss for the world of art and the cause of ordinary people. I am still in shock. But I want to see that sculpture built anyway, as Wasil wanted.


40 posted on 10/12/2008 9:40:05 AM PDT by Kitten Festival
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