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To: Held_to_Ransom
Your version is entirely fictional and totally off the wall compared to all the statistics ever compiled either by DeBow's or the southern dominated government. Of course, you repeatedly deny that, but you are absolutely not correct in that regard.

I'm not? Please post your evidence.

I already quoted Madison from the debates. It's like a conditioned reflex, a hysteric reaction with you. Something you totally beyond your ability to comprehend.

One qeustion. How could slavery not be legal if the importation was?

But Illinois was a western state, not a northern state, and it never allowed southern slavery. Indentured servitude by contract is still essentially legal in the US today, though I doubt anyone calls it that.

The case of Phoebe v. Jay, 1 Ill 268 (1828) recognized that "voluntary servitude" was the same as slavery. In Pollock v Williams 322 US 4 (1944), the Supreme Court stated, 'When the master can compel and the laborer cannot escape the obligation to go on, there is no power below to redress and no incentive above to relieve a harsh overlordship or unwholesome conditions of work.' Indentured servitude is slavery.

Show me where it says 'we legalize slavery, the denial of habeus corpus and the treatment of human beings in the legal category of furniture. SHOW ME.

Ok.

92_SJ0005
1 SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION

2 WHEREAS, The State of Illinois, at the time of its
3 acceptance into the Union in 1818 and for a longtime
4 thereafter, practiced de facto slavery masqueraded as
5 "indentured servitude"; the census of 1840 enumerated slaves
6 in Illinois in violation of the Ordinance of 1787, which
7 outlawed slavery in the Northwest Territories; and
8 WHEREAS, The State of Illinois passed the infamous and
9 unjust Black Laws (1819), otherwise known as the Black Codes,
10 which were a denial of human rights designed to cover up
11 slavery and the slave trade within the borders of the State;
12 and
13 WHEREAS, The State of Illinois supported the Black Codes
14 for more than forty-six years until they were finally
15 repealed; and
16 WHEREAS, In the State of Illinois the majority of
17 Illinois citizens favored closing the State to
18 African-American residents and withholding the right of
19 citizenship from those African-American residents already
20 living in the State; and
21 WHEREAS, The State of Illinois passed dehumanizing laws
22 stating that slaves were not persons, but property, and as
23 property the ownership of enslaved Africans was to be fully
24 protected by Illinois law;
and
25 WHEREAS, For many years, Black people, free or
26 otherwise, had no legal status as citizens in the State of
27 Illinois; and ...

Good. At least you now condemn that trash traitor rag like any US citizen should always.

Umm, no. I still fly my US flag. They were the traitors to the Constitution

The south, of course, never acquired the art and technologies of ship building.

Why build a ship when it was cheaper just to ship? If you own a mom & pop store, are you going to invest in tucks, or pay someone?

Now, explain how 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you' fits into the notion of southern slavery.

See #908.

909 posted on 10/09/2003 1:32:40 PM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
are you going to invest in tucks

Some Yankee stole my "r"!

911 posted on 10/09/2003 2:20:53 PM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
One qeustion. How could slavery not be legal if the importation was?

The importation of slaves was outlawed by Congress in 1808. Didn't you know? No wonder you are lost on this topic. Even South Carolina outlawed the importation of slaves between 1787 and 1803. Doh homer.

But Illinois was a western state, not a northern state, and it never allowed southern slavery. Indentured servitude by contract is still essentially legal in the US today, though I doubt anyone calls it that.

The case of Phoebe v. Jay, 1 Ill 268 (1828) recognized that "voluntary servitude" was the same as slavery. In Pollock v Williams 322 US 4 (1944), the Supreme Court stated, 'When the master can compel and the laborer cannot escape the obligation to go on, there is no power below to redress and no incentive above to relieve a harsh overlordship or unwholesome conditions of work.' Indentured servitude is slavery.

Nice of you to point out indentured servitude was just as illegal as slavery. Good case to establish that point. Don't you want me to make my case instead of letting you do it? I guess not....

By the way, working in a prison is indentured slavery.

Show me where it says 'we legalize slavery, the denial of habeus corpus and the treatment of human beings in the legal category of furniture. SHOW ME.

Ok.

92_SJ0005 1 SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION 2 WHEREAS, The State of Illinois, at the time of its 3 acceptance into the Union in 1818 and for a longtime 4 thereafter, practiced de facto slavery masqueraded as 5 "indentured servitude"; the census of 1840 enumerated slaves 6 in Illinois in violation of the Ordinance of 1787, which 7 outlawed slavery in the Northwest Territories; and 8 WHEREAS, The State of Illinois passed the infamous and 9 unjust Black Laws (1819), otherwise known as the Black Codes, 10 which were a denial of human rights designed to cover up 11 slavery and the slave trade within the borders of the State; 12 and 13 WHEREAS, The State of Illinois supported the Black Codes 14 for more than forty-six years until they were finally 15 repealed; and 16 WHEREAS, In the State of Illinois the majority of 17 Illinois citizens favored closing the State to 18 African-American residents and withholding the right of 19 citizenship from those African-American residents already 20 living in the State; and 21 WHEREAS, The State of Illinois passed dehumanizing laws 22 stating that slaves were not persons, but property, and as 23 property the ownership of enslaved Africans was to be fully 24 protected by Illinois law; and 25 WHEREAS, For many years, Black people, free or 26 otherwise, had no legal status as citizens in the State of 27 Illinois; and ...

Illegally, I notice. There you go making my case again.

Good. At least you now condemn that trash traitor rag like any US citizen should always.

The south, of course, never acquired the art and technologies of ship building.

Why build a ship when it was cheaper just to ship? If you own a mom & pop store, are you going to invest in tucks, or pay someone?

So General Butler can't come down from NYC on the Staten Island Ferry escorted by a few gunboats and conquer your most important port city with a few thousand men. LOL...............

925 posted on 10/09/2003 8:32:52 PM PDT by Held_to_Ransom
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