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To: 4ConservativeJustices
One qeustion. How could slavery not be legal if the importation was?

The importation of slaves was outlawed by Congress in 1808. Didn't you know? No wonder you are lost on this topic. Even South Carolina outlawed the importation of slaves between 1787 and 1803. Doh homer.

But Illinois was a western state, not a northern state, and it never allowed southern slavery. Indentured servitude by contract is still essentially legal in the US today, though I doubt anyone calls it that.

The case of Phoebe v. Jay, 1 Ill 268 (1828) recognized that "voluntary servitude" was the same as slavery. In Pollock v Williams 322 US 4 (1944), the Supreme Court stated, 'When the master can compel and the laborer cannot escape the obligation to go on, there is no power below to redress and no incentive above to relieve a harsh overlordship or unwholesome conditions of work.' Indentured servitude is slavery.

Nice of you to point out indentured servitude was just as illegal as slavery. Good case to establish that point. Don't you want me to make my case instead of letting you do it? I guess not....

By the way, working in a prison is indentured slavery.

Show me where it says 'we legalize slavery, the denial of habeus corpus and the treatment of human beings in the legal category of furniture. SHOW ME.

Ok.

92_SJ0005 1 SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION 2 WHEREAS, The State of Illinois, at the time of its 3 acceptance into the Union in 1818 and for a longtime 4 thereafter, practiced de facto slavery masqueraded as 5 "indentured servitude"; the census of 1840 enumerated slaves 6 in Illinois in violation of the Ordinance of 1787, which 7 outlawed slavery in the Northwest Territories; and 8 WHEREAS, The State of Illinois passed the infamous and 9 unjust Black Laws (1819), otherwise known as the Black Codes, 10 which were a denial of human rights designed to cover up 11 slavery and the slave trade within the borders of the State; 12 and 13 WHEREAS, The State of Illinois supported the Black Codes 14 for more than forty-six years until they were finally 15 repealed; and 16 WHEREAS, In the State of Illinois the majority of 17 Illinois citizens favored closing the State to 18 African-American residents and withholding the right of 19 citizenship from those African-American residents already 20 living in the State; and 21 WHEREAS, The State of Illinois passed dehumanizing laws 22 stating that slaves were not persons, but property, and as 23 property the ownership of enslaved Africans was to be fully 24 protected by Illinois law; and 25 WHEREAS, For many years, Black people, free or 26 otherwise, had no legal status as citizens in the State of 27 Illinois; and ...

Illegally, I notice. There you go making my case again.

Good. At least you now condemn that trash traitor rag like any US citizen should always.

The south, of course, never acquired the art and technologies of ship building.

Why build a ship when it was cheaper just to ship? If you own a mom & pop store, are you going to invest in tucks, or pay someone?

So General Butler can't come down from NYC on the Staten Island Ferry escorted by a few gunboats and conquer your most important port city with a few thousand men. LOL...............

925 posted on 10/09/2003 8:32:52 PM PDT by Held_to_Ransom
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To: Held_to_Ransom
The importation of slaves was outlawed by Congress in 1808. Didn't you know? No wonder you are lost on this topic. Even South Carolina outlawed the importation of slaves between 1787 and 1803. Doh homer.

It's you that is lost in this topic. Of course the IMPORTATION of slaves was prohibited as of 1 Jan 1808. Slavery itself was still legal, as evidenced by the continuation of the practice, and the attempts of Lincoln in 1861 to pass an amendment guaranting that slavery would last forever. Doh!

Nice of you to point out indentured servitude was just as illegal as slavery. Good case to establish that point. Don't you want me to make my case instead of letting you do it? I guess not....

Wrong again. The court held that indentured servitude was slavery, not that slavey was illegal.

By the way, working in a prison is indentured slavery.

Wow, you're 0-3. Justice Jackson, writing for the court in Pollock v. Williams, 322 U.S. 4, 17 (1944) wrote:

'Forced labor, in some special circumstances, may be consistent with the general basic system of free labor. For example, forced labor has been sustained as a means of punishing crime, and there are duties, such as work on highways, which society may compel.'

Illegally, I notice. There you go making my case again.

Not hardly. I did post the answers to your question: Show me where it says 'we legalize slavery, the denial of habeus corpus and the treatment of human beings in the legal category of furniture. SHOW ME. From the resolution:

The State of Illinois passed dehumanizing laws stating that slaves were not persons, but property, and as property the ownership of enslaved Africans was to be fully protected by Illinois law; and WHEREAS, For many years, Black people, free or otherwise, had no legal status as citizens in the State of Illinois.

DeHUMANized. Property. Protected by law. Not persons. No legal rights. Understand?

Good. At least you now condemn that trash traitor rag like any US citizen should always.

I fail to understand why you obsess about someone condemning the US flag. Sure, it was flown over the traitorous ships and troops that invaded the Confederacy, slaughtered innocent men, women and children, black, white and red, but it was also the flag that flew over this country before that. The flags of the Confederacy were the flags of the honourable: delegates in each seceeding state, in a convention of the people not the legislature, ratified acts rescinding their agreement to join the union; acts which the Constitution required to be given "full faith & credit" in the states remaining in the union.

So General Butler can't come down from NYC on the Staten Island Ferry escorted by a few gunboats and conquer your most important port city with a few thousand men.

So much for trusting friends huh? But it wasn't Butler, it was Farragut that captured New Orleans with a fleet of 24 vessels and over 200 guns. Against that stood a small militia force. New Orleans mayor Monroe said: "We yield to physical force alone and maintain allegiance to the Confederate States."

945 posted on 10/10/2003 5:57:41 AM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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