Perspective: Die-hard Confederates should be reconstructed

St. Augustine Record ^ | 09/27/2003 | Peter Guinta

[republicanwizard]

I did. The justification was wildly different.

[warchild9]

Present-day Southerners have never owned, let alone whipped, slaves.

[Cobra Scott]

Oh please, "if you disagree, leave" is an extremely elitist cop out.

If you don't like someone being a part of something you have a duty to defend, why don't you leave?

[republicanwizard]

Would those issues even have been debated if slavery were not involved.

To oppose the Civil War is to support slavery.

[sheltonmac]

The Constitution doesn't recognize the right to secede...

And it prohibits secession...where, exactly?

[warchild9]

I'm Southern born and raised, and am active in the Southern Nationalist movement. Nothing is stopping me, bud.

[republicanwizard]

No, but you did turn firehoses on them.

I'm sorry. I meant to use the past tense.

[republicanwizard]

The terms of the final two Articles make it explicit that those are the legal ways to change the government.

[Texas_Dawg]

I'm Southern born and raised, and am active in the Southern Nationalist movement. Nothing is stopping me, bud.

Do you watch sports on television?

[Paul C. Jesup]

I hate to tell you this but 'Roots' is a work of fiction.

[republicanwizard]

I never watched the movie. We have picture evidence of Southern brutality towards the slaves. Then, of course, we have Senator Douglas who compares them to alligators.

[sheltonmac]

Seceding from the government is not the same as changing or overthrowing the government. Had the South been allowed to peacefully secede, the United States of America would have continued to exist and Abraham Lincoln would have continued to serve as president.

[Paul C. Jesup]

I did. The justification was wildly different.

The only person or thing that is wild here is you. Are you on speed? I mean you are posting one post after another, after another.

[billbears]

I agree, this article is insanity

They'd like to rewrite history, demonizing Abraham Lincoln and the federal government

No historical fact does that quite well

[TexConfederate1861]

The opinion of an ASS doth not matter......

A Bovine one at that!

[Cobra Scott]

You'll have to do better than that. My family were abolitionists. Unless you are referring to me personally, which would be silly.

You have to include those slaves forced to fight ,or, forced to support, the war effort. Sure.

And those who were freed and stayed. And those who worked to free slaves within their parishes. Those who lost family members who tried to change an institution. And those who really didn't care, but grew up with the notion (prevelant as it were) that the state was the ultimate authority, not a greater federation.

I love it when people like you can't get over winning the war. It's good for a laugh.

[Texas_Dawg]

I never watched the movie. We have picture evidence of Southern brutality towards the slaves. Then, of course, we have Senator Douglas who compares them to alligators.

You're trying to argue rationally with a bunch of misanthropic malcontents. I'm a Southerner... I've met hundreds of these people. You just have to laugh, ignore their ranting, and tell them to just make sure they show up to work for you on time.

[republicanwizard]

And surrendered federal property to a foreign government? Lincoln would have legally been impeached for doing so.

[Paul C. Jesup]

We have picture evidence of Southern brutality towards the slaves. Then, of course, we have Senator Douglas who compares them to alligators.

Post them and their references. I dare you.

I'll then point you to the Wills of Slave Owners. Most of the time the Slave Owners had their slaves freed.

[Question_Assumptions]

An appropriate contemporary argument would concern the meaning of citizenship, and whether politicians, for whatever reason, have a right to maintain their power over others using force, and whether the Constitution as a contract concedes adherence to the Union under threat of death.

Do you support the right of Islamic Americans acting against the interests of the United States government? Do you support the right of Kosovo Albanians to seize control of Kosovo from Serbia and declare the independence? Do you support the action of the citizens of West Virginia to succeed from Virginia during the Civil War and join with the Union?