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Low IQs 'shouldn't have children' (Denmark)
News.com.au ^ | September 29, 2003

Posted on 09/29/2003 4:44:06 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29

A DANISH academic has sparked an uproar by calling for state measures to encourage childbearing among intelligent people but to dissuade those with low intellectual ability, to create what he called a better Danish society.

Helmuth Nyborg, a well-known psychology professor at the University of Aarhus who specialises in intelligence research, said it was time to "abandon the politically correct" and to practice selection in order to "improve the coming generations and avoid degenerates in the population", in comments this weekend that have been widely reported on national television and the country's main newspapers.

"I'm aware that my proposal breaks a taboo that dates back more than half a century, since Hitler's Aryan race program, and it is very controversial," he said.

"But the debate has to be raised now because the trend is cause for concern in Denmark, where we have an increasing number of problem kids," he said.

His proposals triggered outrage among many politicians and experts, including Integration Minister Bertel Haarder, who said Nyborg's suggestions were "against all moral principles".

But he said statistics show that women with lower educations have more children than highly educated women, who tend to spend more time studying and working before starting a family.

Nyborg suggested that highly educated women could have their workloads reduced while less intelligent parents could be paid to not have children.

"It's easy to make associations to Hitler and Nazism, as my critics do. But this has nothing to do with Nazism. Hitler was not a eugenicist, but an ideologue who abused the program of procreation," he said.

"He didn't want to improve the human race, he wanted to eliminate certain groups such as Jews, gypsies and homosexuals, and he massacred the most intelligent among them," Nyborg said.

Nyborg claimed intelligence was hereditary, and said it was "unfortunate and worrying if parents of lower intelligence bring more children into the world, as is the case today in Denmark, than highly intelligent parents".

"We can already choose to have children or not by doing practical tests in fertility clinics which show whether the fetus has hereditary genetic malformations," he said.

"It's possible to choose the eggs. So why not keep the best ones, in terms of intelligence," he said.

"Between 10 and 20 per cent of the population, who are at the lower echelon of society and who cannot fill in a time sheet at work or who cannot hold down a job or take care of their children, should not have children," he said.

"We are all aware of this problem, but we don't dare talk about it. But we should, for the sake of society and the future, so that we can have productive citizens and not people who need help," he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Who are they going to hire at McDonald's then?
Believe me, there are no brain surgeons working there.
21 posted on 09/29/2003 5:10:03 PM PDT by sonserae
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
IQ profiling?
22 posted on 09/29/2003 5:10:15 PM PDT by blam
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To: breakem
Actually, if this can be codified into law, then "low IQ" will basically be defined as those with right leaning (less government) political attitudes.

If Hitler's national socialism had been victorious, he would have eventually learned that physical and mental abilities are not nearly as important to his socialist Utopia as people with "pro-socialist" political attitudes.

This author is also definitely a left leaning, elitist attitude, "I know what's best for society", socialist.

23 posted on 09/29/2003 5:10:53 PM PDT by Bob Mc
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Low IQs 'shouldn't have children' (Denmark)

Darwinism at work!
24 posted on 09/29/2003 5:11:15 PM PDT by Oystir
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
isn't it interesting when someone speaks in "common sense" language, everyone wants to jump on them for "insensitivity", "elitism", etc. But if you would ask those same people "Do you WANT to decrease YOUR family's intelligence level?" The semi-bright ones would say yes. The rest belong to the DNC.
25 posted on 09/29/2003 5:11:50 PM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: PRND21

26 posted on 09/29/2003 5:12:14 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA Bring 'em Home, Or Send us Back!! Semper Fi)
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To: steplock
"The semi-bright ones would say YES" ??

Oopps! That should be a NO! I would hope! ;>)
28 posted on 09/29/2003 5:14:03 PM PDT by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
"But the debate has to be raised now because the trend is cause for concern in Denmark, where we have an increasing number of problem kids...."

Who thinks this guy believes in God?

29 posted on 09/29/2003 5:14:04 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Alarm at plan to halve UK population
30 posted on 09/29/2003 5:16:27 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Elitists trying to save the world with their kooky ideas are the ones who should be prohibited from having children!
31 posted on 09/29/2003 5:16:42 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Nathaniel Fischer
It would be very NAZI-like . . .

He's not saying they should kill anybody, or throw anybody into concentration camps . . . Only that incentives and disincentives be offered. What is best for a population, for it to be smarter or dumber?

32 posted on 09/29/2003 5:16:51 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Actually, I see no reason for anyone to get upset, whether from the Left or Right. If they truly cared about boosting the intelligence of the populace, TV would have died out a long time ago.
33 posted on 09/29/2003 5:16:59 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Sounds like something I've heard before. nazies
34 posted on 09/29/2003 5:17:13 PM PDT by cksharks
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
blah, something is rotten in Denmark...
35 posted on 09/29/2003 5:19:28 PM PDT by Johnbalaya
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Hitler was not a eugenicist

From what I know about eugenics, that would be a compliment. I did some research on the eugenics movement in the US in the early 20th century. It was shocking, outrageous and terrifying. The brains behind it were the same ones behind the "peace movement" - the intellectual liberal elites in the Universities. They believed that populations (that is, people) could be manipulated just like a scientific experiment.

This was the root of the social engineering we see today. Except the guys back then took it to extremes. Did you know that the last mandatory sterilization law was not taken off the books until 1974? If you want to be truly offended, check out the information at http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/eugenics/

Hitler didn't do anything new. He just went way off the deep end with the 'science' that was already accepted and practiced in the US and elsewhere. The Nazis used what was commonly called the "Indiana Prodecure". (Yes, that Indiana.)

I suppose we can laugh and joke and say, 'Oh, yeah. Sounds good to me'. That is until the court shows up at your door with your mandatory sterilization order in the name of progressive sociology. Eugenics is a road we do not want to travel again.

37 posted on 09/29/2003 5:29:59 PM PDT by Pete
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To: AppyPappy
Actually Denmark has actually woken up to the plague of spreading islam. They have a right of center government, ushered in on a campaign to crack down on rampant welfare use and abuse, and criminality immigrants. Muslims in Denmark (and Sweden, and Norway, and Holland) commit rape at a rate totally out of proportion to their numbers. Apparently, to the Mohammadeans, it's basically sport.
38 posted on 09/29/2003 5:30:31 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Stop Immigrating Terrorism. Repeal the 1965 Immigration Act.)
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To: Oystir
It's so easy to spot someone who has never read Darwin. In fact, Darwin noted that to obtain specific characteristics that are desireable, it is more practical to breed pairs where only one of the parents has the desireable characteristic. Applying this rule, allegedly intelligent people, that is, those who score well in certain recognized activities on tests that measure only a very limited range of human activity, should actually be requiried to mate with weaker members of the race. In this manner, the genes considered valuable would be more widely spread.

Conversely, mating only 'select' with select would more quickly shrink the percentage of so-called 'select' gene patterns in the nation.

I hope we don't have to remind any Europeans of what happened to the select breeding in the Royal families of Europe.

Historically, it has been the people who never read Darwin but who just assumed they understood him and then simply recited their own racism and stupidity who have caused all the trouble. Welcome to the club.

Now, for you homework assignment, explain how it is that idiot savants can't pass an IQ test to save their life, but often can't be equaled by anyone in their unique abilities.

39 posted on 09/29/2003 5:35:35 PM PDT by Held_to_Ransom
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To: churchillbuff
Déjà vu all over again ping.

Elitism gone wild.

40 posted on 09/29/2003 5:40:26 PM PDT by StriperSniper (The slippery slope is getting steeper.)
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