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Blackpowder, bowling balls and sewer pipe! (Fire in the hole!!!)
One Fine September Morning... ^

Posted on 09/27/2003 8:39:41 PM PDT by mhking

Ah, serendipity. Being in the right place at the right time.
As it happened, this fine and sunny September Sunday morning found me and a few others at the local gun range, sighting in- or trying to- some rifles. Some were cooperating, some weren't. A normal outing to the range, really...

Until this fellow pulls up and starts unloading a big 'ol hunk o' pipe.

Pipe? Bowling balls?

I thought he was going to bury it as a new target stand or something.... 'til I saw the Bowling Balls. I then immediately knew it must be what some call a "punt" mortar! I'd seen similar handmade ones on the 'net and in magazines... naturally, we all completely forgot about our own rifles for the moment.

How far'zat thing go, anyway?

The Gun Range is a nice place- raised, covered shooting line, plenty of tables, well-kept grounds. The first line of targets is at 100 yards, with small berms and pipe target stands at 200, 300 and 400 yards as well, plus a trail/road to drive up to 'em if you need to. And at 500 yards, right at the base of the stand of trees off in the distance, is a full-size steel cutout of a moose, painted day-glo orange. Above, the guy with the mortar is pouring in some three ounces of Fg (coarse) Pyrodex black powder...

This sucker is huge!

This thing is huge! Probably weighing some 150 pounds, half-inch-nominal wall pipe with a massive two-inch-thick breechblock welded on one end. The touchhole or fuse passage leads to a small "chamber" in the center that holds the powder in a single spot, rather than letting it cover the whole 8.5" bore.

Crude, but it works.

Crude, yes, but it works. The owner is reluctant to do any additional welding on the pipe, for fear of making a weak or brittle spot, so he just stacks up whatever's handy to hold it, oh, 'bout there or so. This thing's so cool I want to make the guy some adjustable legs like the old 4.2" Chemical Mortar had....

Fire in the hole!

Three ounces of Pyrodex, an old garage-sale-special bowling ball, an old chair and some sewer pipe... Fire in the hole!

I'll be over here where it's safe...

He's not running, but he ain't dawdling either! Let's see, the fuse burns at about one minute per foot, there's about six inches there... dum da dum... carry the three...

KABOOM!

HOLY FREAKING BATTLESHIP MISSOURI! By the time the shutter snapped, the ball was, in relation to this picture on your screen, about six monitors up and climbing. It was whistling. I lost track of it since I was trying to get the picture, but the guys say it cleared the treeline by probably another hundred yards.

Let's do that again!

Let's do that AGAIN! Rod out the fuse hole, make sure there aren't any errant embers, pull the mortar up out of the divot it created, weigh out another charge of powder, another bowling ball... This time I was watching downrange with the camera pointing at the cannon... Holy Creeping God, ladies and gentlemen! That ball was screaming out of there! I'd wager it landed over 600 yards downrange.

I should have brought out my Radar Chrony. I'd guess that ball wasn't moving over 700 fps, possibly as low as 400 fps, but jeez, think of the mass! That ball's what, eight to ten pounds?!? What's the Hatcher's Index of a projectile weighing fifty-thousand grains moving at 400 fps? "Body armor" against this thing is eight feet of dirt over a concrete bunker!

Excavations?

Think Grandpas' old thirty-thirty is a kicker? How about a hundred-plus-pound gun that pushes itself into the dirt six to eight inches each time it goes off? This is not a shoulder arm.

After all four balls were expended, we helped load it back in the guy's car. I noted that there were some divots from earlier shoots... he said he gathers up old balls whenever he can find 'em, then when he has a few, on a nice day he'll come out and blow 'wm downrange. Says it always draws a crowd. I said "so there's already a few balls out there in the swamp, eh?"
"Oh, more than a few, yeah."

He says he also has a short cannon that takes small tomato-sauce cans and another mortar that takes soda cans. The soda cans, it seems, don't hold together well- the force of firing blows the can off the concrete fill, which then blows up in the air.

Besides, he says, NOTHING beats seeing that bowling ball howl downrange as far as the eye can see.

I agree. :) The pictures don't do this justice; this is something every Tinker or gadget freak should see in person at least once in their life.


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To: Travis McGee
They also used powder several pounds at a time, and projectiles 10X-50X more massive than a bowling ball.
61 posted on 09/28/2003 4:26:59 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: mhking
Bet that scared the crap out of the moose at Snowshoe.
62 posted on 09/28/2003 4:33:53 AM PDT by FSPress
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To: mhking
WOOHOO! I work in metal fab; I'm releasing mine to the shop for fabrication first thing Monday mourning!
63 posted on 09/28/2003 4:41:08 AM PDT by putupon (Their is nothing more embarasing than typos & misspelling in tagline used in ab out 100 or so post)
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To: Orion78
Freepers, Caption this Photo.

Al Gore & Bill Clinton's final picture after Bill told Al, "Let Tipper hold yer beer, you come over 'ere 'n take a look at this!"

64 posted on 09/28/2003 4:46:59 AM PDT by mhking (Anyone who disagrees with me is mentally ill and should be shot.)
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To: mhking
Enjoyable post. Makes we want to skip Mass and go to the range.

5.56mm

65 posted on 09/28/2003 4:58:49 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: boris
The article claims an 8.5 inch bore, which most closely matches a 10" schedule 160 internal diameter.

10" schedule 160 pipe has a pressure rating of 2950 PSI.

Perhaps some freepers with ballistics experience can tell us how much pressure we could expect when firing a 14 lb. ball with the three ounces of Fg (coarse) Pyrodex specified in the article.

66 posted on 09/28/2003 5:25:15 AM PDT by e_engineer
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To: mhking
Whoa! Wonder id R. Lee Ermey knows about this?
67 posted on 09/28/2003 5:26:51 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mhking
No home should be without one ;-)
68 posted on 09/28/2003 5:42:55 AM PDT by varon
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To: Squantos
I can just see you out there with this guy havin' a ball!
69 posted on 09/28/2003 5:49:16 AM PDT by Matthew James (SPEARHEAD!)
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To: mhking
Ah yes...reminds me of my youth when me and a buddy from across the street made a "musket" by burying one end of a pipe in the ground (the pipe at about a 45 degree angle), lighting a slow-fuse firecracker, shoving it into the pipe followed by a marble. That marble whistled also...
70 posted on 09/28/2003 5:50:33 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
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To: mhking
Let's do that AGAIN! Rod out the fuse hole, make sure there aren't any errant embers,

Remaining embers has cost many an artillery man his life. This was a key part of the reload for black powder cannon...using a wet rag on stick to swipe the bore.

71 posted on 09/28/2003 5:58:56 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
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To: e_engineer
I'm also wondering about work-hardening, and about how he secured the breech to the barrel.

He might have done it just right, and have a high margin of safety. He might have overlooked something important, too... that thing would be a killer if it ever blew apart.

72 posted on 09/28/2003 6:00:07 AM PDT by MikeJ
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To: uglybiker
Quote: "Kids, DON'T try this at home!

Not 'til Daddy gets home, anyways. ;-)"

Note to self: warn Mom to pay attention to Dad's next acquirements... and hide any bags of powder!

-RealDharma
73 posted on 09/28/2003 6:53:38 AM PDT by arthurus (When the other shoe drops, look out for the cleats!)
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To: norraad
Are they enviro safe now that the mercury is out?


Just don't use Ni-Cads, according to the notoriously dishonest enviros.
74 posted on 09/28/2003 7:27:21 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: mhking
I have seen an article on this being done with a recycled gas pressure tank. Such tanks are rated precisely, and closed at the end. Knowing the mass of the projectile will allow you to calculate back to the velocity that corresponds to a safe chamber pressure.

Then, just work up a charge until you an appropriate velocity. Shoot the thing all month safely, doing it this way.
75 posted on 09/28/2003 7:38:07 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: mhking
And people ask me WHY I joined Field Artillery.
;-)
*BIG evil grin*
76 posted on 09/28/2003 7:38:08 AM PDT by Darksheare (I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems. I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems)
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To: Orion78
Caption:
"What?! Ear plugs? We're Artillery, we don't use earplugs. I can't hear ya, speak up. Don't shout, I'm not deaf."
77 posted on 09/28/2003 7:41:43 AM PDT by Darksheare (I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems. I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems)
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To: mhking
Great post!

Now, I wonder how long until legislation is introduced banning the manufacture, sale, and distribution of such a "weapon"!

It's for the chilren u know!
78 posted on 09/28/2003 7:52:01 AM PDT by FourtySeven
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To: WorkingClassFilth; Squantos; TexasCowboy; Mulder; Travis McGee; SLB; mhking
A bowling balls diameter averages 8.6", so if one were to use 10" x 0.500"wt; seamless X-60 pipe you will have a actual bore of 9.75". Weld a cap meeting the same specs on one end and call it good.

Off hand I don't know the yield on said pipe, but it should be sufficient for firing a bowling ball. At a weight of about 55 pounds per linear foot it would be pretty tough to tote around though.

I do agree that sewer pipe is a poor choice.

79 posted on 09/28/2003 8:02:22 AM PDT by Eaker (Amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.............hmmmmmmmmm ;<)
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To: Beelzebubba
I saw a TV program where a guy was using pressurized gas to power his bowling ball gun. They showed them demolishing an old barn and a old grain silo with it.
80 posted on 09/28/2003 8:07:10 AM PDT by csvset
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