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Blackpowder, bowling balls and sewer pipe! (Fire in the hole!!!)
One Fine September Morning... ^

Posted on 09/27/2003 8:39:41 PM PDT by mhking

Ah, serendipity. Being in the right place at the right time.
As it happened, this fine and sunny September Sunday morning found me and a few others at the local gun range, sighting in- or trying to- some rifles. Some were cooperating, some weren't. A normal outing to the range, really...

Until this fellow pulls up and starts unloading a big 'ol hunk o' pipe.

Pipe? Bowling balls?

I thought he was going to bury it as a new target stand or something.... 'til I saw the Bowling Balls. I then immediately knew it must be what some call a "punt" mortar! I'd seen similar handmade ones on the 'net and in magazines... naturally, we all completely forgot about our own rifles for the moment.

How far'zat thing go, anyway?

The Gun Range is a nice place- raised, covered shooting line, plenty of tables, well-kept grounds. The first line of targets is at 100 yards, with small berms and pipe target stands at 200, 300 and 400 yards as well, plus a trail/road to drive up to 'em if you need to. And at 500 yards, right at the base of the stand of trees off in the distance, is a full-size steel cutout of a moose, painted day-glo orange. Above, the guy with the mortar is pouring in some three ounces of Fg (coarse) Pyrodex black powder...

This sucker is huge!

This thing is huge! Probably weighing some 150 pounds, half-inch-nominal wall pipe with a massive two-inch-thick breechblock welded on one end. The touchhole or fuse passage leads to a small "chamber" in the center that holds the powder in a single spot, rather than letting it cover the whole 8.5" bore.

Crude, but it works.

Crude, yes, but it works. The owner is reluctant to do any additional welding on the pipe, for fear of making a weak or brittle spot, so he just stacks up whatever's handy to hold it, oh, 'bout there or so. This thing's so cool I want to make the guy some adjustable legs like the old 4.2" Chemical Mortar had....

Fire in the hole!

Three ounces of Pyrodex, an old garage-sale-special bowling ball, an old chair and some sewer pipe... Fire in the hole!

I'll be over here where it's safe...

He's not running, but he ain't dawdling either! Let's see, the fuse burns at about one minute per foot, there's about six inches there... dum da dum... carry the three...

KABOOM!

HOLY FREAKING BATTLESHIP MISSOURI! By the time the shutter snapped, the ball was, in relation to this picture on your screen, about six monitors up and climbing. It was whistling. I lost track of it since I was trying to get the picture, but the guys say it cleared the treeline by probably another hundred yards.

Let's do that again!

Let's do that AGAIN! Rod out the fuse hole, make sure there aren't any errant embers, pull the mortar up out of the divot it created, weigh out another charge of powder, another bowling ball... This time I was watching downrange with the camera pointing at the cannon... Holy Creeping God, ladies and gentlemen! That ball was screaming out of there! I'd wager it landed over 600 yards downrange.

I should have brought out my Radar Chrony. I'd guess that ball wasn't moving over 700 fps, possibly as low as 400 fps, but jeez, think of the mass! That ball's what, eight to ten pounds?!? What's the Hatcher's Index of a projectile weighing fifty-thousand grains moving at 400 fps? "Body armor" against this thing is eight feet of dirt over a concrete bunker!

Excavations?

Think Grandpas' old thirty-thirty is a kicker? How about a hundred-plus-pound gun that pushes itself into the dirt six to eight inches each time it goes off? This is not a shoulder arm.

After all four balls were expended, we helped load it back in the guy's car. I noted that there were some divots from earlier shoots... he said he gathers up old balls whenever he can find 'em, then when he has a few, on a nice day he'll come out and blow 'wm downrange. Says it always draws a crowd. I said "so there's already a few balls out there in the swamp, eh?"
"Oh, more than a few, yeah."

He says he also has a short cannon that takes small tomato-sauce cans and another mortar that takes soda cans. The soda cans, it seems, don't hold together well- the force of firing blows the can off the concrete fill, which then blows up in the air.

Besides, he says, NOTHING beats seeing that bowling ball howl downrange as far as the eye can see.

I agree. :) The pictures don't do this justice; this is something every Tinker or gadget freak should see in person at least once in their life.


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To: Squantos
As to ignition sources what do ya think about a simple spark plug.

I'd prefer magnesium wool, taken out of an old flash bulb. Takes much less voltage to set off compared to a spark plug, and actually produces a very hot flame for igniting the powder.

121 posted on 09/28/2003 12:35:55 PM PDT by Monitor
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To: Squantos; Eaker; TexasCowboy; HoustonCurmudgeon
I want to take out a million dollar life insurance policy on ya Eaker before ya light that sucker ......figure I'll just have to make one premium payment........:o)

Great idea. Eaker does have a history of things like this blowing up in his face!!!

Don't waste your money boys, I have been trying for years to kill off Eaker - the old SOB just won't die!!

122 posted on 09/28/2003 12:38:21 PM PDT by TheMom
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To: Monitor
They sell magnesium wire that when looped a few times to make a small coil , then hooked onto lead wires makes a cheap simple hot start as in the little estes rocket motors. I've done that for the anvil tossing starts and works very well.

Stay Safe !......BTW where do ya get magnesium wool ?

123 posted on 09/28/2003 12:46:20 PM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Squantos
I spend ten years in a Civil War re-enactment artillery unit.

I know a tiny bit of keeping my hands, fingers and arms.

If I get the scanner working, I want to post some pictures.
124 posted on 09/28/2003 12:49:30 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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To: TheMom
LMAO !.....Less supervision may just do it ...........let Eakerism take its own path.

Keep him Stay Safe anyway as we couldn't buy this much entertainment !

125 posted on 09/28/2003 12:51:37 PM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Kewl...........the single most dangerous UXO I ever had to deal with was civil war era cannon balls. And most folks use em for door stops when "they" dig em up ! I love cannon. Do ya know any quality reproduction cannon makers ?

Stay Safe !

126 posted on 09/28/2003 12:57:04 PM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
My thoughts exactly. The shrapnel from the sewer pipe would be my biggest worry. I've used bamboo (with a smaller charge), but that stuff's not as brittle as a sewer pipe.
127 posted on 09/28/2003 12:58:43 PM PDT by gitmo (Zero Tolerance = Intolerance)
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To: mhking
Bump!
128 posted on 09/28/2003 1:05:01 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: mhking
Someone crunch the numbers for 3 ounces of powder. I think he's putting more in more powder than he's admitting to. A 12lb Civil War cannon with 2lbs of pounder had a max range of around a mile. He says he shot the ball 600 yards down range beyond his last marker? That would be about 1200 yards.

This guy is an idiot. He didn't make a cannon, he made a suicide machine. He says they probed the vent hole after each firing but mentions nothing about swabbing the tube. he's in for a huge flashburn.

129 posted on 09/28/2003 1:09:53 PM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: epow
Yup, yer prolly right........ H100 packs a real wallop in my Casull.
130 posted on 09/28/2003 1:18:20 PM PDT by umgud (gov't has more money than it needs, but never as much as it wants)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon; Eaker
"Let me get this straight. You are willing to have a "remote competition" with a bunch of Texans? Texas where the tall tale is a way of life? How about bets?"

I gave that some thought. Harvey Pennick, a man who brought honor to the already honorable game of golf, is from Texas. For the most part, I trust you Texans.

Besides, you wouldn't cheat at a shooting competition, would ya. That's almost a sacriledge. :)

131 posted on 09/28/2003 1:20:31 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Game on in ten seconds...http://www.fatcityonline.com/Video/fatcityvsdemented.WMV)
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To: Squantos
I don't know if these people are still in business but we dealt with the Paulson Brothers in Wisconsin and a guy named Barney in Southbend Indiana. I think Barney's was called Southbend Cannon Works.

Funny story about Barney, the story goes that he was going to be put out of business because the government didn't want anyone selling cannons. The year was 1975. He started to get orders from the National Park system because of the Bicentennial. The problem seems to go away.

That Whitworth cannon shell on my window hiding behind those hats is from the Paulson's. I dug it out of a berm. The 7 pound cannonball is from the club gun. We used 7 ounce cup filled to the brim for a measurement. I don't know what the weight was.

We never had an accident but we heard of a few. We used a worm to pull the aluminum foil out from the barrel and then sponged. That was done twice. I was usually the one to do it. The cannoneers are numbered. The number one position loaded and sponged. I was young and dumb at the time so I volunteered.
132 posted on 09/28/2003 1:26:23 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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To: umgud
H110 rules in 454 Casull and in Rugers chambered in 45 Colt.
133 posted on 09/28/2003 1:29:54 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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To: Squantos
LOL!
134 posted on 09/28/2003 1:37:41 PM PDT by Matthew James (SPEARHEAD!)
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To: Eaker
I know where to get the pyrodex and fuse.. I actually have a bit on
hand at the moment, but it's old. (Don't ask.)

Collectors Firearms on Richmond carried both items last time I checked.
Waterproof fuse, great stuff, burns under water.

135 posted on 09/28/2003 1:40:58 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Travis McGee; boris
I rather think the thickness a bit inadequate.

So do I, but I'm only guessing.

Likewise, the bowling-ball mortars made from cutdown oxygen welding gas cylinders are thinwall, though strong.

But then too, look at the aluminum barrel of the M79 and M203 grenade launcher, and the thin-walled cartridge case of the 40mm grenades they use. Using a high pressure chamber built into the base of the projectile, which then directs the high pressures generated against the much wider base of the projectile, the resulting high/low combination has proven safe and reliable. Something similar may be in use with at least some of the bowling ball launchers.


136 posted on 09/28/2003 1:42:25 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Squantos
"........I'm in ! As to ignition sources what do ya think about a simple spark plug. I use one of those in my potato cannon ....works great for gases and also have seen a simple rig for cannon that uses a 209 shotgun primer. Drill and tap a hole in the base and screw it in, cock, load and move to non business end of 100' of lanyard , pull and let er fly !"

I considered a spark plug ignition, but a model rocket igniter runs off of a simple 12 volt circuit, whereas a spark plug requires voltages ranging into the thousands, and requires more complexity in the circuit design behind it, increasing the chance of failure.

I need to shut up. If this competition comes about, you're on the other team. :)

137 posted on 09/28/2003 1:52:21 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Game on in ten seconds...http://www.fatcityonline.com/Video/fatcityvsdemented.WMV)
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To: archy
How far do those O2 cylinder mortars toss a bowling ball?

What does the ATF say about all this?

138 posted on 09/28/2003 2:02:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: g'nad; 300winmag; Sam Cree; HairOfTheDog; Ramius
Well, how bout this, anyone for collecting yard sales bowling balls; could be more fun tossing anvils. :-)
139 posted on 09/28/2003 2:04:23 PM PDT by osagebowman (HHD-)
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To: festus; Cannoneer No. 4; Darksheare
That last photo looked like an awfully tight group for something aimed by propping it up on a chair with a plank.

A pal of mine shoots Revolutionary War muzzleloading cannon, mostly firing blank charges for reenactments and parades, occasionally other ceremonies, as when the Queen came to the US for the anniversary of the surrender of the British forces during the Revolutionary War. He was resplendant in his redcoat in uniform for that one, and was awarded for his appearance and effort, as well as the honours offered by his two Guns, by a few words of encouragement from HRH herself.

But in our case, he was around for a local annual reenactment, and we invited him to put on a soldiers' familiarization on the period Brown Bess musket at a nearby gun club range, with both members and those from the local National Guard infantry company in attendance. He brought his two Wicked Sisters along, and using a large cardboard shipping box for a motorcycle as a target, laid and fired his guns for a five-shot volley while a crew of assistants performed the reloading drill, about 15 seconds taking place between shots.

At the end of the exercise, the target, set up at about 275 meters, was retreived. The five three-inch holes in it could have been covered with the lid of a 55-gallon drum; I had no idea smoothbore guns could be so accurate.

He had us reset the target out at about 50 paces, and we found out that when the last crew reloaded their piece, they did co with a grapeshot loading instead of a solid projectile. He let fly, and the target was shredded into unrecognizable shreads.

I am not no longer particularly surprised by excellent results by large-bore gunners familiar with their weapons, though sometimes still in awe of their skill.

-archy-/-


140 posted on 09/28/2003 2:05:21 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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