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Franken Accuses Hume of "Obscene...Trivializing" of Troop Deaths
MRC ^ | Friday September 26, 2003 | BrentBaker

Posted on 09/26/2003 1:24:11 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay

Left-wing ranter Al Franken, on Thursday's The View on ABC, maintained that in contrast to how "I love our troops," he charged that FNC's Brit Hume is "trivializing the danger that our soldiers are under" in Iraq and claimed of a news item Hume read in late August: "It's obscene and it's offensive to those troops and their families."

Franken's allegation, based on misquoting, distorting and misrepresenting what Hume actually said and meant, came as he defended his mean-spirited, vulgar tirade against Hume and FNC which he leveled during a Howard Dean fundraising event last Saturday.

On FNC's O'Reilly Factor on Monday night, Bill O'Reilly showed a clip of Franken on stage at the Saturday, September 20 event in New York City, in front of a big "Dean for America" sign. The clip joined Franken mid-rant, and though FNC bleeped out the vulgarities, it was pretty clear what Franken was saying. But instead on listing the actual word, or putting in a bunch of asterisks, I thought I'd try something new, a bit of simple encryption I've seen employed by Michael Z. McIntee, Editor of the Late Show's online Wahoo Gazette, to avoid publishing offensive words: Look one letter to the left on your keyboard. So, with that code in mind, here's Franken on Hume and FNC:

"-How big an asshole Brit Hume is and how shameless, how givlomh shameless these people are. These people are so givlomh shameless. They are shameless. And I don't just say this because the Fox people sued me."

Appearing on the September 25 The View to promote his book, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right, Franken was asked to explain his anti-FNC outburst.

Franken contended: "I am about, at Christmas, to go on my fourth USO tour. I'm going to Afghanistan and Iraq. I love our troops. I've been to Kosovo three times, went to Bosnia three times. What I was responding to was Brit Hume went on his show, Special Report, and he said this, he said this about our troops, he says: 'Statistically speaking, U.S. soldiers have less of a chance of dying in Iraq than citizens have of being murdered in California.'"

View quad-host Joy Behar interjected: "Nasty."

Franken picked up: "And this is, and then his evidence was there are about 6.6 homicides a day in California and we're losing only 1.7 soldiers a day in Iraq. Now what he's forgetting is there are 34 million people living in California and there are one point, and there are 140,000, so you're actually 60 times more likely to die if you're a soldier in Iraq.

"And so what he was doing, the point of this was, that Fox News, and this is what I talk about in my book, is a shill for this administration and they were trying to say, 'oh, it's not so bad in Iraq. Everything's under control in Iraq and our soldiers really are' -- and anyone who's trivializing the danger that our soldiers are under there, and for every soldier that gets killed ten get wounded, for anyone who trivializes that, I think that's obscene. And I'm sorry, I don't apologize if, I don't apologize for getting angry at someone who trivializes the danger that our troops are under and that's why I'm going at Christmas and I just think that it's obscene and it's offensive to those troops and their families."

Franken quoted Hume as reporting: "Statistically speaking, U.S. soldiers have less of a chance of dying in Iraq than citizens have of being murdered in California." But for a guy so concerned about accuracy, he misstated what Hume said, though the difference did not change Hume's meaning in a significant way.

Hume stated on his August 26 show: "Statistically speaking, U.S. soldiers have less of a chance of dying from all causes in Iraq than citizens have of being murdered in California which is roughly the same geographical size."

But in order to impugn Hume as some kind of monster mocking the deaths of soldiers in Iraq, Franken clearly distorted and misrepresented Hume's point. Hume's statistical contrast may not match up on the risk of death for a U.S. soldier in Iraq versus a citizen in California, but that was not his point. He was making an observation about media priorities. Hume was trying to contrast the raw number of murders occurring in the two places in order to make a point about excessive media focus on the casualty rate in Iraq as being inordinately high and newsworthy above all other developments -- along the theme of how the media will ignore a thousand people killed during a year in car accidents one or two at a time in a metropolitan area, but then go wall-to-wall when a plane crash kills 40 people -- only in this case the media were focusing on the daily deaths and not putting them into a larger context of how many more go unnoticed when murdered in a U.S. state that is not perceived as particularly dangerous.

Here, in full, is Hume's August 26 "Grapevine" segment item on Special Report with Brit Hume:

"Two hundred seventy seven U.S. soldiers have now died in Iraq, which means that, statistically speaking, U.S. soldiers have less of a chance of dying from all causes in Iraq than citizens have of being murdered in California which is roughly the same geographical size. The most recent statistics indicate California has more than 2,300 homicides each year, which means about 6.6 murders each day. Meanwhile, U.S. troops have been in Iraq for 160 days, which means they're incurring about 1.7 deaths, including illness and accidents, each day."

Even if you somehow believe that this one short item represents some kind of terrible bias, it pales compared to the regular onslaught of liberal bias delivered night after night and morning after morning by ABC, CBS, CNN and NBC and yet the MRC has never resorted to yelling about how Dan Rather or Peter Jennings or Matt Lauer or Aaron Brown are "givlomh shameless" or to distort their real bias into a ridiculous accusation about any of them making fun of people being murdered.

Franken's media analysis is pretty pathetic.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: franken; frankenprank; hume; leftwingranter; loonyleft; theview
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To: TADSLOS
>>"I am about, at Christmas, to go on my fourth USO tour."

If I were Bush, I would issue the following order to the troops before Franken's appearance:

"DO NOT, under any circumstances, utter one word against Mr. Franken in any sort of protest over his appearance. Aside from this one order, At ease, and enjoy yourselves as you will."

That should leave the troops free to sit silently and NOT laugh at anything the bastard has to say, and should he cut into diatribe over the Commander in Chief, they have permission to stand at attention and do an about face from the stage!

41 posted on 09/26/2003 4:41:23 PM PDT by Wondervixen (Ask for her by name--Accept no substitutes!)
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To: fight_truth_decay
"Left-wing ranter Al Franken,..."

The first five words of the article say it all.

42 posted on 09/26/2003 4:53:59 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Old Sarge
Because you're a better man than they are. And we're all better off because of you and those like you.

Thank you.

}:-)4
43 posted on 09/26/2003 5:29:15 PM PDT by Moose4 (I'm Southern. We've been refighting the Civil War for 138 years, you think we'll forget 9/11?)
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To: Cobra64
code..as stated in the article.You got the first letter right! ;)
44 posted on 09/26/2003 8:03:49 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: MEGoody
I still say Franken would not be doing this if he had lost the lawsuit with FOX. Since the case was dismissed, it has emboldened Franken. However, like most liberals, Franken will take it toooooooo far and end up in worse trouble with FOX. I can hardly wait.
45 posted on 09/26/2003 8:59:28 PM PDT by CyberAnt (America - The Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth)
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To: fight_truth_decay
I wonder what kind of money or pay off this Franken receives to dream up this bs?
46 posted on 09/26/2003 9:31:56 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: muawiyah; Egregious Philbin
Franken's only point is to politicize the death of American fighting men.

BINGO! You win the prize - this is simply an excuse to call FNC and conservatives *EVIL*.

".. anyone who trivializes that, I think that's obscene."

What is infuriating is that its the opposite of the truth - Franken is the one trivializing the Iraq situation and using the troops as pawns to make some partisan political point. Really, he could care less about accurate analogous stats. If he did, he would be politely making as a case on that score.(the difference between total casuatlies and casualty rate is in error, but that is NOT "shameless", that's just different way of looking at it.)

He didnt. he wasnt polite he was incendiary. He calls Hume "shameless" when all Hume was trying to do was put some persepctive in to things, pointing out that Iraqi "quagmire" overall has not much greater mortality than general crime in the US in some cities. 89 combat deaths since may 1. I am sure DC had more murders than that.

And for the "View" Liberal to say "nasty" is itself quite nasty.

47 posted on 09/26/2003 9:36:32 PM PDT by WOSG (DONT PUT CALI ON CRUZ CONTROL & VOTE YES ON 54!)
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To: Cobra64
it's a code "Late Show's online Wahoo Gazette, to avoid publishing offensive words: Look one letter to the left on your keyboard. "

as in ...

Franken Is a givlomh Idiot
48 posted on 09/26/2003 9:39:36 PM PDT by WOSG (DONT PUT CALI ON CRUZ CONTROL & VOTE YES ON 54!)
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To: CyberAnt
Alas it is not illegal to be an idiot, so Franken is safe with the law.
49 posted on 09/26/2003 9:41:28 PM PDT by WOSG (DONT PUT CALI ON CRUZ CONTROL & VOTE YES ON 54!)
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To: Old Sarge
You don't know anything that's more fun, pays better, and you're qualified to do? Could that be it?
50 posted on 09/26/2003 9:46:57 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "This Train don't carry no scammers - no AlSharptons, no midnight ramblers - This Train.")
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; Timesink; Gracey; Alamo-Girl; RottiBiz; bamabaseballmom; FoxGirl; Mr. Bob; ...
FoxFan ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my FoxFan list. *Warning: This can be a high-volume ping list at times.

51 posted on 09/26/2003 10:04:57 PM PDT by nutmeg ("The DemocRATic party...has been hijacked by a confederacy of gangsters..." - Pat Caddell, 11/27/00)
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To: nutmeg
ping!
52 posted on 09/26/2003 11:53:26 PM PDT by lainde
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To: fight_truth_decay
"It's obscene and it's offensive to those troops and their families." --what would he call getting sucked off while discussing where to deploy our troops? drop dead you hypocritical unfunny scumbag!
53 posted on 09/27/2003 3:00:01 AM PDT by longfellow (www.ROCKSOUPSTUDIOS.com)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Left-wing ranter Al Franken

That's where I stopped reading.

Hb

54 posted on 09/27/2003 3:01:56 AM PDT by Hoverbug (whadda ya mean, "we don't get parachutes"!?!)
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To: fight_truth_decay
 
The Secret Life of Al Franken-
An Illustrated History

55 posted on 09/27/2003 3:38:30 AM PDT by wolficatZ (_________\0/_________/|_________"shark!")
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To: Clock King
You're so right! I think that with all the lib traitors we have in abundance today that we'd come apart at the seams, or even be invaded if we had an intelligent enemy like the Nazis. It's so disturbing to see this lack of unity in our country today.
56 posted on 09/27/2003 4:14:12 AM PDT by TAIPAN22001
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To: Dan from Michigan
Al Franken is a little bitch.

Now that's a great title for a book! Seriously, I wish someone would write a book about this psycho and use your words for a title. That would be too delicious!
57 posted on 09/27/2003 4:20:47 AM PDT by demkicker ((I wanna kick some commie and terrorist butts))
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To: Egregious Philbin
Franken's only point is to politicize the death of American fighting men.
Franken's point was that that was Hume's point, I think.

Hume's point was that that was the media's point.

58 posted on 09/27/2003 4:21:24 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Old Sarge
Someone tell me, why do I keep doing the job I do?

"War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend." -Faramir

59 posted on 09/27/2003 4:25:50 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Old Sarge
P.S.

Thank you for your service.
60 posted on 09/27/2003 4:32:25 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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