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Let the neo-cons bellow, just bring the troops home
The Seattle Times ^ | 9/24/03 | Bruce Ramsey

Posted on 09/25/2003 7:54:01 PM PDT by Burkeman1

George, here's what to do in Iraq: Declare victory and bring the troops home.

A senator from Vermont once suggested such a policy during the Vietnam War. It would have meant a defeat. In this case, it might mean chaos, at least for a while, unless you can get more international help.

You asked for help from the U.N. That was good. Get back to them and say, "We're serious. We're on a fast track to leave."

To America's soldiers, you can say: "You're fighters, not social workers. The fighting's done, excellent work, and you can start going home."

Thousands of American families will thank you.

To the American people, you can say: "We've changed our minds about the occupation of Iraq. We'll need only part of that $87 billion I asked for. The rest you can keep."

Watch your poll numbers go up.

The warrior intellectuals — the neoconservatives — will bellow. Let them. They don't have any electoral votes. The American people never bought their "neo-Wilsonian" fantasies of empire. Asserting American dominance was never your argument for war. You said Americans had to depose Saddam Hussein in order to protect themselves.

That's done.

Our occupation of Iraq is not yet six months old and already Iraqis are making sure that we tire of it. This will not tend to get better. An antiwar feeling has arisen in the United States, and Howard Dean, a nobody from a small state, has ridden it to the head of the pack. Dean says he wouldn't have gone to war in the first place. Few notice that Dean also says we ought to stay in Iraq to do nation-building.

"Well, Howard," you can say, "I'm bringing the troops home. If you're elected, you can send them back."

Would America be giving up if we did that? We would be giving up the right to reconstruct Iraq our way. We would not be giving up anything the average American cares about.

Certainly, the American people would accept a change in policy. They have accepted the official story from the start — the weapons of mass destruction, the "link" between Saddam and bin Laden, the "Woman Warrior" story about Pvt. Jessica Lynch. They are not paying much attention to Iraq. They will accept a pullout.

Consider the alternative: Five years of occupation. Maybe 10. Bombs, demonstrations, dead Americans.

Think of the Democrats. In 2002 you beat them by offering to save America from a foreign threat. If you do that in 2004, you're going to be in trouble. Americans get tired of wars that drag on and on, and tend to toss out the political party that does the dragging. Look up the election of 1952. Also 1968. Ask your dad about the political shelf-life of military victory. It is less than one year.

Think of the economy. Business has been terrible since you became president. The people have been pretty forgiving about that. They know the dot-com bust was not your doing (nor Clinton's, really). You have given the people a tax cut, and Alan Greenspan has given them rock-bottom interest rates. In normal times, these would produce a snapping recovery. But war sits on business confidence like a fat man on a dog.

Your war, a Republican war, of which the politically profitable part is over. We are now in the losing part. The occupation of Iraq could drag on well past November 2004.

But you can forestall that. Lean on the U.N. for troops. Lean on the Egyptians; they owe us a favor or two for the billions we've doled out to them. Speed up the creation of an Iraqi government. You don't need to wait for elections. That's Iraq's business.

Then you can announce that most of the troops will be home by Christmas and you will not be needing all of that $87 billion.

Watch Wall Street jump. The dollar, too.

Nobody expects you to do this. It will shock your friends, but what's more, it will confound your enemies. It will also steer the Republican Party back toward that nationalistic but "humble" foreign policy you described three years ago, which best suits the interests, and the patience, of those who might vote for you in 2004.

Bruce Ramsey's column appears regularly on editorial pages of The Times. His e-mail address is bramsey@seattletimes.com

Copyright © 2003 The Seattle Times Company


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiwar; bush; foreignpolicy; iraq; neocons; reelection
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To: Burkeman1

You are an ass if you believe that.


301 posted on 05/19/2004 11:14:15 AM PDT by StarCMC (Please pray for the 2/7 Marines and Josh.)
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To: ohioman

I have no doubts about that -- the guy's a complete moron if he thinks what is going on in Iraq has nothing to do with him. Maybe he's rather have the war going on in and around HIS home!! LOL!!! Whew -- BP just went up re-reading some of this!!!


302 posted on 05/19/2004 11:16:36 AM PDT by StarCMC (Please pray for the 2/7 Marines and Josh.)
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To: MEG33

Did you know that John Galt got zotted/banned/suspended last night? He's history and over at Liberty Post.


303 posted on 05/19/2004 11:30:52 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

That's why I pinged some folks to this thread..Burkeman and JG are buddies


304 posted on 05/19/2004 11:33:05 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33

Oh, yeah. And mr. pink and a host of others. Buddies to the end.


305 posted on 05/19/2004 11:34:01 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

See post #2 for his ping list...


306 posted on 05/19/2004 11:36:10 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33; Peach

Admin mod post #59 on Obit thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1138534/posts?page=59#59

"This was a ban, not suspension."


307 posted on 05/19/2004 11:44:33 AM PDT by Darksheare (Decorate rooms and furniture with your sleeping friend's carcasses. -Gothic car sticker)
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To: MEG33

Yeah - I had their names noted for a while.

One by one they will be condemned for what they are - paid hacks who come here to cause trouble.


308 posted on 05/19/2004 11:45:03 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Barlowmaker

#32 is an introduction to Burkeman and it just gets worse.


309 posted on 05/19/2004 11:52:24 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33
Amazing. How did he survive membership here after that outburst? LOL The thing that drew me to this site was the pro-military aspect. Stating that regular duty soldiers are welfare recipients is pretty radical ... and stupid.

I googled this Bruce Ramsey character and see he writes for LewRockwell.com as well as the Seattle paper. That's all I need to see to dismiss him out of hand. I don't like those people. At all.

310 posted on 05/19/2004 1:21:25 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Barlowmaker

He is an old time poster, gets suspended comes back and is a good boy and then zap...off on a tangent! His ping list is at 2...We have a lot of isolationists, think only they are Constitutionally sound "real" conservatives. Some are more reasonable and do not use inflammatory and insulting remarks.


311 posted on 05/19/2004 1:26:49 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33

Not one of my better posts (#32). I have to admit that. And yes- the ping list is about two now. JG will be missed.


312 posted on 05/19/2004 2:28:34 PM PDT by Burkeman1 ("I said the government can't help you. I didn't say it couldn't hurt you." Chief Wiggam)
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To: MEG33
"We have a lot of isolationists, think only they are Constitutionally sound "real" conservatives."

They are the true conservatives, the real conservative and those who regularly channel the founders.

313 posted on 05/19/2004 2:30:34 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Burkeman1

I have been so disturbed by that post....I was really hurt,outraged and angry.


314 posted on 05/19/2004 2:31:32 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Burkeman1

JGalt was not my kind of guy.


315 posted on 05/19/2004 2:33:33 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: MEG33

Well- I beleive I have apologized to others who felt the same way- but perhpas I didn't to you. So formally, I apologize to you.


316 posted on 05/19/2004 2:34:34 PM PDT by Burkeman1 ("I said the government can't help you. I didn't say it couldn't hurt you." Chief Wiggam)
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To: MEG33

Well- we got along well. I will miss his posts greatly.


317 posted on 05/19/2004 2:36:36 PM PDT by Burkeman1 ("I said the government can't help you. I didn't say it couldn't hurt you." Chief Wiggam)
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To: MEG33
What a shame...I'm sure he will be missed.

Like a hemorrhoid.

318 posted on 05/19/2004 2:40:39 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Burkeman1

I thank you very much for your apology..


319 posted on 05/19/2004 2:56:44 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Burkeman1

Were Bush to actually do this, it would ensure his total defeat in the general election.


320 posted on 05/19/2004 3:00:13 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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