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California recall: Does one man hold key? [McClintock]
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 9-25 | Christian Science Monitor

Posted on 09/25/2003 2:54:50 PM PDT by ambrose

The Christian Science Monitor - csmonitor.com

from the September 26, 2003 edition - http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0926/p01s03-uspo.html

California recall: Does one man hold key?

Tom McClintock, top GOP conservative, could tilt race for or against Arnold Schwarzenegger.

By Daniel B. Wood | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

BURBANK, CALIF. - Republican candidate Tom McClintock laughs from deep in the belly when asked if he will be the "spoiler" in the great populist revolution/experiment/circus of California's gubernatorial recall election.

"My opponents say I'm the Ross Perot of this campaign, possibly siphoning off enough votes to hand the election to Democrats," he says, settling onto a shady park bench for an interview. "I say, 'Wait a minute.... Ross Perot was an idle millionaire, with no public-policy experience who one day on a whim entered the presidential race.' That sounds like another candidate in this race ... not me," he says, referring to muscleman/millionaire Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Once a mere asterisk in the con- fused calculus of California's 135-candidate recall election, Mr. McClintock has gradually emerged as the strong, third-place vote getter in polls - rising (at 14-to-18 points) while the two leaders - fellow Republican Schwarzenegger (26 points) and Democratic Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante (28 points) - tread water.

As the race enters its final stretch, McClintock's motives and acts are becoming paramount for two reasons. One, splitting the Republican vote, he could cost the party its best chance in a decade of high, statewide office. Two, his candidacy could drag down the success of the recall itself by forcing Republican partisans to reconsider driving Gov. Gray Davis from office because of fear that they could hand the office to a more liberal Democrat, Mr. Bustamante.

Ever since McClintock leaped from 4 percent voter support to double-digits about three weeks ago, the pressure has risen for him to stop offering himself as an alternative to Arnold Schwarzen-egger that could hand the election to Democrats. But as more voters get to know him, his poll numbers have continued to rise, while Schwarzenegger's are flat.

More conservative than Schwarzenegger on social issues - abortion, gay marriage, gun control - he is also far more experienced in fiscal matters, with California's sagging economy the No. 1 issue.

"He is by far the most studied and experienced of all the candidates in fiscal issues and how to implement public policy," says Jack Pitney, political scientist at Claremont McKenna College. "If the election were a college SAT test, McClintock would be the next governor hands down."

Even though he is widely acknowledged as the more knowledgeable, the more articulate, and the more detailed idea-man, 25-year government veteran McClintock does not have the millions of dollars of his chief Republican rival, nor his name recognition. Therein lies one of the chief ironies of the recall: Does he/should he/will he step aside to allow the neophyte challenger - and the Republican party - to gain its best chance of victory?

"He is a man who stands on his word and his principles while claiming time and again that he is in this to the last," says Doug Jeffe, a longtime California political consultant. "If he did get out, it would be totally uncharacteristic of him."

Now, with Schwarzenegger and Bustamante in a near dead heat, one leading Republican, Darrell Issa, the millionaire who bankrolled the signature gathering to oust Davis, has said that if Schwarzenegger or McClintock don't back off, Republicans should vote "no" on the recall. Polls show that if Arnold backed out, McClintock could not win.

But McClintock rejects a widespread analysis that conservative candidates have brought Republican fortunes to their low ebb. He feels the current crisis is the perfect storm for their historic comeback.

"Great parties are built on great principles," says McClintock, referring to the pillars of conservative policy: holding down taxes, cutting waste, standing up for the unborn, and resisting government approval of gay unions. "This is not a time to change our principles."

While such comments win kudos from some for adherence to principle, they strike others as bullheaded.

"McClintock's constant megaphoning of conservative social agendas is presenting a real problem for Republicans who really like him for his fiscal experience," says William Schneider, a pollster and political analyst. "They know Tom has the smarts to get this state out of economic problems and they worry about Arnold's lack of experience and specificity. But they don't think Tom can win and can't resist the fact that Arnold could."

As a child, McClintock campaigned for Barry Goldwater at age 8. In high school he organized classmates into a statewide GOP group. A political-science graduate of UCLA, he became a syndicated columnist railing about former Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown, lauding the character of John Wayne. Hired by a former L.A. police chief-cum-state senator (Ed Davis), McClintock began a 25-year career in Sacramento, marked by opposition to Republican governors George Deukmejian and Pete Wilson over tax hikes and spending waste.

Despite his conservative stances, he was the top GOP vote-getter in the state, running for controller, in the 2002 election.

"I got very little from the state GOP and was outspent by my opponent by 5 to 1," says McClintock. "Despite all that, I lost by less than 1 percent of the vote."

A man who often quotes Reagan and Shakespeare, McClintock is considered a legislative loner with few legislative friends for his near two-decade pursuit of shrinking the state payroll.

In his favorite stump speech he tells why cutting is so important. As a child, he came home from school to find his mother crying over an unexpectedly high tax bill. The moment has lived in his imagination ever since that government takes too much from citizens and delivers too little.

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To: EternalVigilance
you wrote: You are obviously naive about the issues relevant to the restoration and protection of our right to keep and bear arm--if you believe what you just wrote.

a very ironic ad hominem argument. Actually, I know precisely where the 2nd admendment comes from (being a legal historian of sorts, I know that it comes out of Blackstone's commentaries, and that he considered it a subsidiary of the rights to life, liberty, and property), what it originally meant, and the place it out to hold in our present society. I am also aware of the various ways that other countries deal with gun-control.

I, myself, and very pro-second amendment.

So, your ad hominem argument is way off base.

BUT, that is not the issue, the issue was your relatively incorrect statement about Arny and the 2nd amendment, and I addressed that based upon Arny's statements on Sean Hannity today. Your reply does not address facts, either in relation to Arny, or to me.
141 posted on 09/25/2003 4:32:33 PM PDT by fqued (facts are nasty little things, but that doesn't mean we should squash them)
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To: Tamsey
I don't recall folks saying that Arnold will deliver California to Bush

It's been said over and over on FR for a month.

142 posted on 09/25/2003 4:33:14 PM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: EternalVigilance
They've all lost their minds.

I'm glad you live out of state.

143 posted on 09/25/2003 4:33:34 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I'm voting for Arnold. McClintock doesn't deserve my vote!)
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To: fqued
I am getting VERY TIRED of hearing (reading) people call Arny a liberal or a RINO.

Well if Arnie is not a RINO, Clinton is a CONSERVATIVE!!!

144 posted on 09/25/2003 4:33:41 PM PDT by pollywog
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To: BunnySlippers
"Don't worry about it. They're all RINOs ..."

Is this where I take the bait and agree with you only to be embarrased by my supposed zealotry?? :)

Actually, given a choice between a liberal and Arnold, gotta go with Arnold. Given the choice between Arnold and a Consistent alternative, going with Arnold shows the CINO's, Conservatives In Name Only...to be who they are. Don't be ashamed to admit it, just don't pretend to be otherwise. Stand proud...

Better luck next time.




145 posted on 09/25/2003 4:34:33 PM PDT by ProtectorOfTwo (......)
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To: Spiff
If you would take your blinders off, you would have seen it.


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"In addition, it's important to note that Schwarzenegger is not Gray Davis. We're all reading tea leaves, but it must mean something that Schwarzenegger goes around calling himself a Republican. Jesse Ventura never called himself a Republican. Michael Bloomberg was a lifelong Democrat who became a Republican only to run for mayor of New York. Northeastern liberal Republicans like John Lindsay called themselves Republicans because they associated the Democrats with the dirty working class.

Schwarzenegger is part of the Hollywood elite and is married to a Kennedy, and yet he calls himself a Republican. (In his defense, Schwarzenegger has no connection to Justice Anthony Kennedy.) You don't go around calling yourself a Republican in Hollywood to win admiring glances from studio executives. To take a page from the gays' handbook: "Who would choose this lifestyle? Who would choose to be persecuted, censored and ostracized?"

Schwarzenegger was the moving force behind Proposition 49 last year, a taxpayer-funded after-school program for students. Admittedly, that doesn't sound like the mark of a Milton Friedman conservative. But, curiously, Proposition 49 was opposed by all the right people, including the California Federation of Teachers, the League of Women Voters of California and the American Association of University Women. Supporting the proposition were the California Chamber of Commerce, the California Business Roundtable and various taxpayer groups.

It turns out that Schwarzenegger's after-school programs would be paid for out of the state's general fund – unless the fund dried up. The Parasite Lobby opposed the after-school programs on the grounds that it would reduce flexibility in government spending and divert money away from other needed programs – such as even bigger pensions for the parasites. Schwarzenegger's initiative basically required that some taxpayer money be spent on taxpayers. It's not as good as a tax cut, but at least Schwarzenegger is not Gray Davis.

http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2003/082003.htm
146 posted on 09/25/2003 4:34:55 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Tamsey
Funny how the worst Arnold bashers also despise Bush...

But, but, but, they love losers: keyes and buchanan.

147 posted on 09/25/2003 4:35:10 PM PDT by onyx
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Liberal Republicans in liberal states - what sort of Republican could you elect in those places ? And with a liberal population, there is some surprise they voted for Gore, in such a close election ?

Conservative Democrats in conservative states - ditto.

It is not the party or the politicians mostly to blame for all this - it is the people. Republicans should elect who they can, not be content to run noble losers.
148 posted on 09/25/2003 4:35:15 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Spiff
It's been said over and over?

Links?
149 posted on 09/25/2003 4:36:10 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: FairOpinion
You were quoting her out of context too.

I took nothing out of context. Here's the original article...but at least Arnold isn't Gray Davis...

It Depends What The Meaning Of The Word 'Deficit' Is
August 20, 2003

SPEAKING AT the University of California in Los Angeles this week, California Gov. Gray Davis admitted he had made some mistakes and called the recall effort a "right-wing power grab." I guess Bill Clinton really is advising him. Proving Davis' "right-wing power grab" theory, the two men who are currently most likely to replace him are a tax-and-spend liberal who supports abortion and a tax-and-spend liberal who supports abortion.

One is Cruz Bustamante, Davis' lieutenant governor, who has displayed the Democrats' renowned tolerance and commitment to civil rights the Bob Byrd way – by using the n-word at a dinner celebrating Black History month. (You'd think the California Democrats could come up with a standard bearer to replace Davis who manages to avoid using racial slurs at a public gathering to celebrate black achievements.)

The other is Arnold Schwarzenegger, who quickly brought billionaire investor Warren Buffett on board as an adviser. Moments later, Buffett announced his enthusiasm for repealing Proposition 13 and raising taxes. In addition to high taxes, Buffett's other passion is abortion, proving once again that no one understands the little guy like a multi-billionaire.

Conservatives were wary of Schwarzenegger even before Tax 'em and Kill 'em Buffett joined the campaign. Schwarzenegger claims to be a fiscal conservative and a liberal on social issues. Historically, that means: "liberal." All politicians claim to be tax-cutting, fiscal conservatives when they are running for office. Bill Clinton did, promising a "middle-class tax cut." Then he raised taxes. George Herbert Walker Bush did, famously pledging that no matter how many times Congress came to him with a tax hike, he would say, "Read my lips, no new taxes." And then he raised taxes. So it's not a good sign when a politician isn't holding ticker-tape parades before the election showcasing his love of tax cuts.

Still, there are many arguments to be made in Schwarzenegger's favor. First of all, he's not Gray Davis. Thanks to Davis' fiscal wizardry, California is fast becoming a Third World country. Taxpayers are leaving the state in droves, sick of paying for government workers' Riviera retirement plans. In California, the fabulously rich support the poor with government jobs, paid for by the middle class – which is now living in Arizona.

It is puzzling why anyone would want to assume control of this fiasco. It's like vying to become Roseanne Barr's next husband. Sure you'd get your name in the paper, but look at the mess you'd be getting yourself into. And yet there are hundreds of Californians lining up to replace Gray Davis. There are even a few serious candidates like Tom McClintock and Bill Simon who do have plans that actually would save the Golden State.

At this stage, Schwarzenegger's main selling point is that he seems to have excellent name recognition with an electorate that already knowingly elected Gray Davis and Cruz Bustamante. Former child actor Gary Coleman would be a major improvement over Gray Davis. Indeed, among the nut candidates, probably only Arianna Huffington could drive the middle class from California faster than Gray Davis has, with this latter-day Norma Desmond gleefully spray-painting their SUVs on the way out.

Within days of his announcement, the media leapt on Schwarzenegger, demanding that he produce a detailed outline of his plan to save California from sinking into the ocean. Davis has been governor for five years and the watchdog media have yet to ask him what his plan is. In deciding to run, Arnold has already proven himself to be more decisive than Davis. In announcing that he didn't need anyone's money but his own, Arnold has proven himself to be of a different species than Gray Davis.

This leads to another positive about Schwarzenegger, which is that he's not Gray Davis. Literally millions of low-income immigrants are pouring into California without job skills or even language skills. If we were able to trick Mexico into taking California back, Los Angeles would have the second largest population of Mexicans in Mexico – only Mexico City would have more. While illegal immigrants generally work, they don't contribute to the income or property tax base. Their birth rates are far higher than other groups, so they consume a large portion of the state's health-care and welfare systems. As the tax base floods out legally, the taxpayer-dependents flood in illegally.

Davis responded to this crisis by virtually dismantling immigration enforcement in California. Law enforcement officials are prohibited from even asking people about their national origin. Davis fought Propositions 187 and 209 after the voters overwhelmingly approved them. Meanwhile, Arnold is the Republicans' kind of immigrant: legal. But the press is crucifying Arnold for voting "yes" on Proposition 187 back in 1994 – along with 60 percent of his fellow Californians. Apparently, this makes him "out of the mainstream."

In addition, it's important to note that Schwarzenegger is not Gray Davis. We're all reading tea leaves, but it must mean something that Schwarzenegger goes around calling himself a Republican. Jesse Ventura never called himself a Republican. Michael Bloomberg was a lifelong Democrat who became a Republican only to run for mayor of New York. Northeastern liberal Republicans like John Lindsay called themselves Republicans because they associated the Democrats with the dirty working class.

Schwarzenegger is part of the Hollywood elite and is married to a Kennedy, and yet he calls himself a Republican. (In his defense, Schwarzenegger has no connection to Justice Anthony Kennedy.) You don't go around calling yourself a Republican in Hollywood to win admiring glances from studio executives. To take a page from the gays' handbook: "Who would choose this lifestyle? Who would choose to be persecuted, censored and ostracized?"

Schwarzenegger was the moving force behind Proposition 49 last year, a taxpayer-funded after-school program for students. Admittedly, that doesn't sound like the mark of a Milton Friedman conservative. But, curiously, Proposition 49 was opposed by all the right people, including the California Federation of Teachers, the League of Women Voters of California and the American Association of University Women. Supporting the proposition were the California Chamber of Commerce, the California Business Roundtable and various taxpayer groups.

It turns out that Schwarzenegger's after-school programs would be paid for out of the state's general fund – unless the fund dried up. The Parasite Lobby opposed the after-school programs on the grounds that it would reduce flexibility in government spending and divert money away from other needed programs – such as even bigger pensions for the parasites. Schwarzenegger's initiative basically required that some taxpayer money be spent on taxpayers. It's not as good as a tax cut, but at least Schwarzenegger is not Gray Davis.


150 posted on 09/25/2003 4:36:46 PM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: FairOpinion
What do they get for his "service"? His muleishness has been on display for the entire state to observe, and he sure shows a tin ear for politics for someone who gets his name mentioned as a potential contender vs Boxer.Why should anyone raise money or work to help this putz now?

151 posted on 09/25/2003 4:37:06 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: pollywog
Clinton is a moderate democrat. There were far more left-wing people than him (Cuomo for instance). These lefties had no chance though, and most of them knew it.
152 posted on 09/25/2003 4:37:07 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: fqued
Words have meanings. If you mean to imply that Arny wants the government to be involved in social concerns that you don't want the government involved in, say that. But the word "socialist" means that the government controls the means of production. Admittedly the meaning has enlarged enough to include a government that taxes the people at a confiscatory rate and then controls the economy almost totally; but that is clearly outside what Arny wants.

Actually, it doesn't. That's communism. Never called him a communist. A couple of his advisors might come close to that definition, though.

153 posted on 09/25/2003 4:37:18 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Call upon God to move on our behalf...)
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To: pollywog
Well if Arnie is not a RINO, Clinton is a CONSERVATIVE!!!

Please tell me you recognize that Arnold is to the right of Clinton?

154 posted on 09/25/2003 4:38:07 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: doodlelady
It always come down to character, and I am suprised to took so long for his obvious flaws to be widely recognized :)
155 posted on 09/25/2003 4:38:46 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: ProtectorOfTwo
What are you in your early to mid-twenties? It shows.

Playing into the fictional problems posed by Tom's presence are what is best for liberals and I must say this message board is alive with this stuff.

Fictional? What sort of deluded mind can't or doesn't see the very real scenario where a split Republican vote elects a racist like cruz? Do you really think you are right and most every political mind in the country is wrong? Wow. I've seen blind devotion to Tom many times over but you take the cake.

I cannot tell you how many people I know (and I have friends that are not lockstep with me...) that are waiting becuase they are too scared to vote for McClintock becuase we might "elect Busty". If the people of California are torn between a "consistent" conservative like Tom McClintock, and a "claimed" conservative like Arnold, then maybe "Tough Love" is in order.

I'm happy to hear that. But the problem lies in how many haven't waited and have wasted their vote on a loser which can only help cruz. But, that's right. You don't get that. So be it.

Here's to hoping for 2006 when people might get their heads out of their collcetive a%%es after 3 years of "tough love" becuase true, uncompromising conservatives who vote for Tom are not the problem. The negotiators and the moderates within the "Party" are however...

Again you show your ignorance. I am far from moderate. I do understand, however, as do many, the importance of preventing a bustamante win. It's really that simple. I'm sure you'll get it one day, probably if and when cruz further destroys this state. And if and when that happens, remember one thing...your blind devotion to a loser contributed in making it possible.

156 posted on 09/25/2003 4:39:27 PM PDT by South40 (Vote Mcclintock, elect bustamante)
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To: BunnySlippers
I'm glad you live out of state.

Me too...although that could change if you ever wake up and hire some grownups to run your state government.

157 posted on 09/25/2003 4:39:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Call upon God to move on our behalf...)
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To: habs4ever
I'm not worried by hollow threats like yours. If McClintock is the GOP's best hope in a future race people like yourself will support him. After all, what else could you do - vote for the Democrat? HAhahahaha!
158 posted on 09/25/2003 4:40:16 PM PDT by NittanyLion (Go Tom Go!)
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To: pollywog
Because Arnold can get non-conservative voters to vote for him. Winning in a democracy meas more than getting just your own faction to like you.
159 posted on 09/25/2003 4:40:33 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Spiff; fqued
Arnold is not anti-second amendment. He also stated the following....

"Outlawing guns is not the right method of eliminating the problem. If you outlaw guns, people will still have them illegally. In Europe, they're outlawed everywhere. They have very strict gun control in Italy. Yet the Pope was shot. They have very strict gun control in Germany. Yet you see pimps shooting one another."

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/968440/posts
160 posted on 09/25/2003 4:40:35 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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