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Posted on 09/13/2003 5:17:25 PM PDT by bondserv
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To: bondserv
Rather, the box I am in is one of His making. Am I correct in assuming you are a YEC?
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posted on
09/14/2003 1:35:17 PM PDT
by
ThinkPlease
(Fortune Favors the Bold!)
To: VadeRetro
Meaning how you're allowed to interpret facts? Not my problem! He provides enough material for all of us to enjoy our discoveries. Part of the box He created includes the creative, reasoning minds that we possess. Couple that with free-will and we are gorilla no more.
No wonder were a lot like Him.
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posted on
09/14/2003 1:36:40 PM PDT
by
bondserv
To: bondserv
They will be fine as long as they are willing to follow the evidence. For the vast majority, that is the case. There are a few who become celebrities who like to make philosophical conclusions. A big part of the problem is journalists who constantly goad famous people into saying something controversial.
To: ThinkPlease
Am I correct in assuming you are a YEC? I have leanings in that direction.
The eyewitness testimony that I trust says life began recently, and if I understand the straightforward meaning of the message correctly, the universe is recent as well. However explaining how God did it leaves room for us to discover.
For 150 yrs Christians have had to be dumbfounded by where the evidence appeared to point. (Evidence of our integrity regarding our intellectual honesty). This, in my opinion, is beginning to change. Scientists are starting to review the evidence, as well as consider new evidence, from a Biblical perspective, and with gathering success.
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posted on
09/14/2003 2:35:36 PM PDT
by
bondserv
To: bondserv
I have leanings in that direction. Translation: I've been handing out YEC leaflets for the past 2 or so years.
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I think this is very suspicious! Those comets are our property!
We should immediately send a patrol to see if those sticky-gingered Proxima Centaurians are up to no good. Alpha Centauri ( A and B) and Barnard's star could use a "peaceful" visit too before they get any ideas about snatching our stuff.
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posted on
09/14/2003 4:19:59 PM PDT
by
mrsmith
(First Galactic Neocon)
To: VadeRetro
leaflet-like placemarker
To: bondserv
The eyewitness testimony that I trust says life began recently, and if I understand the straightforward meaning of the message correctly, the universe is recent as well. However explaining how God did it leaves room for us to discover.I appreciate your honesty. I'm curious, is there any evidence out there that would make you change your interpretation, or is the words placed in the Bible irrevocable?
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posted on
09/14/2003 6:05:09 PM PDT
by
ThinkPlease
(Fortune Favors the Bold!)
To: ThinkPlease; bondserv
I appreciate your honesty. I'm curious, is there any evidence out there that would make you change your interpretation, or is the words placed in the Bible irrevocable?Thoughtful question. :-)
To: longshadow; PatrickHenry; Physicist; ThinkPlease; boris; VadeRetro; Stultis; Junior; ...
Interesting side note:
First, I would like to appologise for being gone so long. My poor computer's power supply died. (fixed now :-)) That is what you get when you run too low a wattage. I only had a 430 watt supply. Now its 560. :-)
While I was installling my new supply in my computer, I decided to rewatch tha old classic "The Day the Earth Stood Still. When Klaatu (the alien) explains how far he traveled I sat up and took notice. He said 250 million miles. I though for about 2 seconds and figured that the only planets (outside the Earth) that could be within that distance were Mercury, Venus, and Mars.
Then he said it took him about 5 months to travel that distance. Bells rang in my head. I thought for a second and started to laugh (I had never noticed this before). The Earth travels about 250 million miles in 5 months. Interesting huh! LOL
To: RadioAstronomer
Welcome back.
To: RadioAstronomer; ThinkPlease
Thanks for bringing this post back into my focus. I thought I had responded.
My first instinct would be to say, I have no problem not understanding the specifics of any given passage in Scripture. My past experience is that passages that give me trouble are resolved by praying for wisdom concerning the issue.
Thus far God has been faithful to sustain my faith by producing answers either through the Word, circumstances, discussion with other Christians, and often by something that is said by someone who is not a believer. Most frequently, I seemingly stumble upon a passage of Scripture that deals more clearly with the topic.
Ultimately, Jesus is the person I filter all of my feelings, thoughts and beliefs through. When a person begins to have a better knowledge of the entire Bible, the miraculous integrity forces one to acknowledge that it has been inspired by one intellegence.
66 books by 40 authors that is seamless in it's history, spiritual consistancy, and focus on the person of Jesus Christ, forces the student to acknowledge the supernatural nature of it's contents.
So if evidence appears to contradict scripture, I chalk it up to my ignorance and am forced to accept the evidence at face value to maintain intellectual honesty. Evidence that I have been exposed to so far that was an apparent contradiction to scripture has not been broad enough to nullify the Word, and has been worked out by God to my satisfaction.
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posted on
09/15/2003 8:51:17 PM PDT
by
bondserv
To: Fester Chugabrew
Thank you :-)
To: bondserv
So if evidence appears to contradict scripture, I chalk it up to my ignorance and am forced to accept the evidence at face value to maintain intellectual honesty. That is a fair statement :-)
To: RadioAstronomer; ThinkPlease
There are no passages in Scripture, which ask us to blindly accept the Word, and to shut off our reason. In my opinion, God created intellect, and encourages us to explore both ideas, and our universe.
The free-will he gifted us with shapes our desire for creativity, and exploration.
You know the feeling or thought you have after watching an impacting movie. Something inside has fundamentally changed. I have been altered in a way that touches the spiritual side of my being. When we determine in our free-will to learn of the Creator he begins to continuously use the Bible to fundamentally change us similarly to an impacting movie.
This desire for fundamental change is not created by us, rather it is stimulated by the blessings that God reveals.
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posted on
09/15/2003 9:11:15 PM PDT
by
bondserv
To: bondserv
Thank you so much for posting this. I have been reading the Bible tonight for further information on The Kuiper Belt. Can you direct me to the relevant passages?
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posted on
09/15/2003 9:13:39 PM PDT
by
jas3
To: RadioAstronomer
Good to see you, RadioAstronomer! I'm glad you got that power supply replaced. Hugs!!! Your reaction to the classic reminded me of a science project my daughter did back in 6th grade. We were driving along and she was fretting about what to tackle - the kids were allowed to choose a project but it was going to figure heavily in their grade.
A fly kept buzzing her and she made some remark about how fast the fly was moving. I added that however fast the fly was moving, he was also in a car moving at 60 mph.
She went "hmmm!" and began adding everything up, the fly, the car, the earth rotating, the earths orbit around the sun, the solar system in the Milky Way, the Milky Way through space. I forgot what number she came up with, but it was huge.
Anyway, she put it all together in a presentation and got an "A". I was a very proud mommy!
To: bondserv
Thanks for the reply. I will re-read it tomorrow. :-)
It's late tonight :-)
To: Alamo-Girl
Anyway, she put it all together in a presentation and got an "A". I was a very proud mommy! Whooohooo! :-)
To: bondserv
A large meteor hits a 'wet' planet and splashes water into space-blam! Instant icies in all directions.
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posted on
09/15/2003 9:33:44 PM PDT
by
budwiesest
(Gladly: The cross-eyed bear.)
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