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Leni Riefenstahl dies at 101; Known for Nazi Era Propoganda Films
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Posted on 09/09/2003 4:06:46 AM PDT by sonsofliberty2000

BERLIN (AP) Leni Riefenstahl, best known for her Nazi-era propaganda films, has died at age 101, a German magazine reports, quoting a long-time friend.


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To: rockfish59
I didn't coin that nickname but it sure does apply (especially if one remembers Lumpy Mondello from Leave It to Beaver).
81 posted on 09/09/2003 12:04:04 PM PDT by weegee
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To: u-89
Michael Moore has already stated that he (and his studio backer, Disney) will be releasing Fahrenheit 911 just prior to the 2004 election to slam President Bush.

If that film employs the most innovative techniques in film editing and cinematography will you be ready to embrace that work regardless of whatever tinfoil theories about Israel and prior-knowledge Mr. Moore is spinning?

If Elmer Berstein had scored the movie version of Jackass, would it suddenly have become a film for the ages? Or would people just be asking "Why, Elmer, why?"

82 posted on 09/09/2003 12:10:15 PM PDT by weegee
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To: ffusco
Leni was an amoral artist who happily produced films for her hero, Adolf.

This view is probably the closest to truth from the virtues perspective of morality. Others, of average skills, who did not join the Party did not fare so well, and that was well-known at the time.

83 posted on 09/09/2003 12:19:41 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: weegee
Your hypothesis proves my point. Some just can't separate craft from politics. If the film you mention does have some spectacular innovative technique craftsmen and connoisseurs will take note. Special achievement speaks for itself as does foolishness. Sometimes both can be found in a single body of work, both are examples to learn from.

P.S. Not much of a chance for Moore to do anything noteworthy. You should have come up with a more believable example.

84 posted on 09/09/2003 12:29:48 PM PDT by u-89
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To: dfwgator
It is one thing to read a semi-literate bunch of ravings. It is entirely another to see the huge masses of disciplined followers marching in precision formations. That made it clear that war was coming.

When Hitler published Mein Kampf he was a fringe element in Germany life, almost a comic figure. He was no longer funny by the time Triumph hit the screen.

Interesting tidbit- the American version of M.K. was translated into English by the future Democratic Senator from California Alan Cranston.
85 posted on 09/09/2003 12:30:14 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: seamole
Mass Hysteria doesn't seem so attractive today. Plus the viewing public is more sophisticated.
86 posted on 09/09/2003 12:32:05 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: u-89
Art for arts sake is a dilettant's attitude. Few doubt L.R.'s film-making skills, but she must be condemmned for using her skills in the persuit of Hell on Earth. She was talented, but also completely immoral.She adored Hitler and Nazi Germany and used her talents to further their goals. She is no better than Speer (Architect and weapons procurement for the Reich) or other mid level party members who designed ingenious ways to destroy unwanted people.
87 posted on 09/09/2003 12:41:34 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: u-89
Roger Ebert tried to make the point in one of his columns that he could separate politics from a film but he gave a zero star review to a movie that he liked the acting in and the filmmaker in general because the story went against his views on the death penalty and the story was set in Texas no less.

Is Mr. Ebert an authority on the movies? He's been at this for over 30 years.

89 posted on 09/09/2003 12:48:37 PM PDT by weegee
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To: u-89
Thanks for the kind words. FR can get a out of hand at times. Part of the problem is that the sort of maturity and understanding you refer to is in short supply generally, as you point out. And, having heard so much of a bastardized leftist version of sophistication in the modern university, even many college-educated conservatives are loath to disucss things in nuanced terms. Cheers!
90 posted on 09/09/2003 12:51:51 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: weegee
Here's the interview in the Progressive where he made this statement:

Roger (Bush hater) Ebert interview

And here is my excerpts from his review:

Q: If you were putting on a progressive film festival, what movies would you show?

Ebert: It's a good question, because a movie isn't good or bad based on its politics. It's usually good or bad for other reasons, though you might agree or disagree with its politics.

Rog forgot that movie about the man who was on death row trying to get his conviction overturned. At some point it is revealed to the audience that he really did commit the crime. Roger thought that this was a horrible thing because it "validated" the death penalty advocates position. He gave it ZERO stars (the lowest he can go) because he absoluted hated the politics of this film. He liked the acting. He liked the direction. He hated the message.

THE LIFE OF DAVID GALE / ZERO STARS (R)

"The Life of David Gale" tells the story of a famous opponent of capital punishment who, in what he must find an absurdly ironic development, finds himself on Death Row in Texas, charged with the murder of a woman who was also opposed to capital punishment. This is a plot, if ever there was one, to illustrate King Lear's complaint, "As flies to wanton boys, are we to the gods; They kill us for their sport." I am aware this is the second time in two weeks I have been compelled to quote Lear, but there are times when Eminem simply will not do.

David Gale is an understandably bitter man, played by Kevin Spacey, who protests his innocence to a reporter named Bitsey Bloom (Kate Winslet), whom he has summoned to Texas for that purpose. He claims to have been framed by right-wing supporters of capital punishment because his death would provide such poetic irony in support of the noose, the gas or the chair. Far from killing Constance Harraway (Laura Linney), he says, he had every reason not to, and he explains that to Bitsey in flashbacks that make up about half of the story.

Bitsey becomes convinced of David's innocence. She is joined in her investigation by the eager and sexy intern Zack (Gabriel Mann), and they become aware that they are being followed everywhere in a pickup truck by a gaunt-faced fellow in a cowboy hat, who is either a right-wing death-penalty supporter who really killed the dead woman, or somebody else. If he is somebody else, then he is obviously following them around with the MacGuffin, in this case a videotape suggesting disturbing aspects of the death of Constance.

The man in the cowboy hat illustrates my recently renamed Principle of the Unassigned Character, formerly known less elegantly as the Law of Economy of Character Development. This principle teaches us that the prominent character who seems to be extraneous to the action will probably hold the key to it. The cowboy lives in one of those tumble-down shacks filled with flies and peanut butter, with old calendars on the walls. The yard has more bedsprings than the house has beds.

The acting in "The Life of David Gale" is splendidly done but serves a meretricious cause. The direction is by the British director Alan Parker, who at one point had never made a movie I wholly disapproved of. Now has he ever. The secrets of the plot must remain unrevealed by me, so that you can be offended by them yourself, but let it be said this movie is about as corrupt, intellectually bankrupt and morally dishonest as it could possibly be without David Gale actually hiring himself out as a joker at the court of Saddam Hussein.

I am sure the filmmakers believe their film is against the death penalty. I believe it supports it and hopes to discredit the opponents of the penalty as unprincipled fraudsters. What I do not understand is the final revelation on the videotape. Surely David Gale knows that Bitsey Bloom cannot keep it private without violating the ethics of journalism and sacrificing the biggest story of her career. So it serves no functional purpose except to give a cheap thrill to the audience slackjaws. It is shameful.

One of the things that annoys me is that the story is set in Texas and not just in any old state--a state like Arkansas, for example, where the 1996 documentary "Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills" convincingly explains why three innocent kids are in prison because they wore black and listened to heavy metal, while the likely killer keeps pushing himself onscreen and wildly signaling his guilt. Nor is it set in our own state of Illinois, where Death Row was run so shabbily that former Gov. George Ryan finally threw up his hands and declared the whole system rotten.

No, the movie is set in Texas, which in a good year all by itself carries out half the executions in America. Death Row in Texas is like the Roach Motel: Roach checks in, doesn't check out. When George W. Bush was Texas governor, he claimed to carefully consider each and every execution, although a study of his office calendar shows he budgeted 15 minutes per condemned man (we cannot guess how many of these minutes were devoted to pouring himself a cup of coffee before settling down to the job). Still, when you're killing someone every other week and there's an average of 400 more waiting their turn, you have to move right along.

Spacey and Parker are honorable men. Why did they go to Texas and make this silly movie? The last shot made me want to throw something at the screen--maybe Spacey and Parker.

You can make movies that support capital punishment ("The Executioner's Song") or oppose it ("Dead Man Walking") or are conflicted ("In Cold Blood"). But while Texas continues to warehouse condemned men with a system involving lawyers who are drunk, asleep or absent; confessions that are beaten out of the helpless, and juries that overwhelmingly prefer to execute black defendants instead of white ones, you can't make this movie. Not in Texas.

What a pompous ass.


91 posted on 09/09/2003 12:54:44 PM PDT by weegee
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To: seamole
But it is an interesting characteristic of propaganda films that its effectiveness as a weapon or source of inspiration is not independent of the zeitgeist.

Mein Kampf is still banned in Germany. Think that these works might still find a welcome audience in Germany?

92 posted on 09/09/2003 12:56:47 PM PDT by weegee
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Perhaps Cranston translated something, but the standard English language version (published by Houghten Mifflin) was translated by Ralph Mannheim.
93 posted on 09/09/2003 12:59:44 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: CatoRenasci
I join the other posters in praise of your insights and balanced perspective on Leni Riefenstahl. She was truly one of the greatest cinematic geniuses ever. Olympia was a masterpiece. It is easy to look back in hindsight and criticize Germans who didn't leave or protest the actions of Hitler. The reality is far different. They did what they had to in order for them and their families to survive. In this case art (Leni Rifenstahl) transcended a political philosphy (Nazism) and will live on long after the Third Reich.
94 posted on 09/09/2003 1:08:13 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ffusco
Plus the viewing public is more sophisticated.

I wouldn't necessarily say that. I'd agree that there is more cynicism today (and that people may approach such information skeptically).

Not all cynicism is healthy (it can make a person a misanthrope who hates/distrusts all of society, it can also make someone a post-modernist who sees nothing as black or white just shades of grey and subscribes to moral relativism).

When people are told to "question authority", they should really be told to "question everything, including the guy telling you to question authority".

The left is going rabid over Fox News existing on the airwaves. "Conservatives and mushheads are just getting right wing propaganda dressed up as news" is the scare. Having spent decades wading through the liberal spin in mainstream media broadcasts, some of us have learned to filter what we take in, regardless of the source.

Even a right wing site like Newsmax is taken with a grain of salt here at FR.

What is so ironic is that the cries from the left seem to be from the same 30% who cry that Albert Gore Junior really won the 2000 election and that believed X42 was an honest man up to the moment he admitted he had sex with Monica.

They are so scared that we don't have rational minds yet they consistently pull the wool over their own eyes and eat up the DNC talking points of the day. Their fear is projection, they know what they are and fear that all of society is the same.

Their irrational behavior (mobbing, protesting, rioting in the streets) concerns me but I know that they do not represent the majority of people in this country. That is not to say that Democrats are in the 30% majority, just the die hards who ignore daily truths.

95 posted on 09/09/2003 1:08:22 PM PDT by weegee
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To: CatoRenasci
I saw somewhere one time that he translated the first edition in America. It might be false but it struck me as interesting since I did not like Cranston.
96 posted on 09/09/2003 1:15:22 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I thnk that Adolph was even paid royalties on the US version of Mein Kampf during the war (I recall there being some odd fact about his royalties).
97 posted on 09/09/2003 1:23:22 PM PDT by weegee
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To: seamole
Agreed. As I recall from when I was in West Germany with the US Army, a rightest party became active. Posters appeared all over that read: "Ein Adolf ist viel zu viel" -- One Adolph is much too much. Have nations have a stake in domestic tranquility.
99 posted on 09/09/2003 2:20:48 PM PDT by OESY
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To: seamole
If the ban is symbolic the remove it. A book that remains untouched on the shelves of history is a better sign than a book that is hidden from public view (where it still may ve privately read).
100 posted on 09/09/2003 2:25:36 PM PDT by weegee
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