[philosofy123]

Religion according to our founding fathers should be a personal thing and not for the state to preach or be partial to. States that become obsessed with religions become surely oppressive, fanatic, and backward. The Judge in Alabama should follow the Ten Commandments in his own heart, and attempt to teach it to his own children. If he and others so called evangelical born again nut cases take care of their own log in their eyes before attempting to remove the spike in other people's eyes; we would be better off.

I observed as Moslems Arabs speak, in general, they would say: if god willing, god will help me, god wants that, god knows, god so and so. Every other word in their vocabulary is god or Allah. By being so obsessed with this god/Allah thing, are they being better human beings? No, and hell no! This god thing is nothing but superficial language, in their treacherous hearts there is nothing but hate and vengeance.

The Christ I know is a meek, forgiving humble Christ. He has nothing to do with the superficial fanatical born again evangelists of today. Their entire cry about god/prayers in school is nothing but hypocrisy. If they teach their children to pray, that should be enough. If some parents do not want their children to pray, they cannot be compelled to pray. Moslems claim that Mohammed said THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION! The Moslem religion fanatics practice otherwise. The religion police beat women if they don’t cover their heads, or if someone is found eating in Ramadan! Our fanatic born again Christians gang would beat our children if they did not pray before meals!

[cornelis]

Of course it's personal. And only a totalitarian government would attempt to sanitize the public of the personal.

Meanwhile, Aristotle made it clear that there are undemonstrable first principles, a feature common to both philosophy and religion.

[WOSG]

"Religion according to our founding fathers should be a personal thing and not for the state to preach or be partial to. "

You are in disagreement with real Founding Fathers:

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. "
- George Washington, Farewell Address 1796



"take care of their own log in their eyes before attempting to remove the spike in other people's eyes; we would be better off."
- uh huh, and you are NOT doing the exact same thing by preaching high-and-mighty to those who happen to behave in ways you dont approve. oh my!


"The Christ I know is a meek, forgiving humble Christ."

- Wow, you are a pretty old individual. fancy meeting Christ. Say, do you believe the Nicean creed, or are you a Cafeteria Christian?

"If some parents do not want their children to pray, they cannot be compelled to pray."
- Nor should any child be compelled to NOT pray in public.